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all right welcome back fade to black I'm

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your host Jimmy church tonight is night

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one of our Halloween week here on fade

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to black

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we've got Jason move here with us

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tomorrow night I want to remind

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everybody we've got a big week lined up

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tomorrow night mullrine wood is going to

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be here sharing her favorite ghost

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stories from her new book more ghost

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chronicles Wednesday night shall balloon

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which for our fifth annual five straight

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years of sha here on Halloween doing

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your readings a hundred phone calls a

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hundred readings back to back to back to

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back to back it's going to be an amazing

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night we shot and then Thursday night

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Adrienne Valera is gonna be here from

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disclosure fest to talk about the

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Washington DC mass meditation going down

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on 1111 at 11:00 11:00 at the Lincoln

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Memorial there in Washington DC but

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tonight's jasonlew Jason is the author

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of eight books including John D and the

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Empire of Angels generation hex and

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these psychic Bible as a journalist he

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has covered surveillance international

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trade in the dark side of technology for

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vice news Boeing Boeing motherboard and

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many more and as a futurist and a

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strategist he has worked on Buzz

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Aldrin's international campaign to

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colonize Mars Google's artificial

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intelligence program and many more

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strange wonderful places but it's the

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start of Halloween week here on fade to

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black and tonight we're gonna talk about

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witches warlocks magic the occult and

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the history of Halloween his website of

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course is Jason lucam and you can follow

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him on Twitter add jasonlew I like to

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welcome back to fade to black the one

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and only Jason Lube Jason good evening

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men Jimmy how's it going man it's great

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now that I hear your voice thanks for

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having me back on you know it's it's

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been about a month we had you over at

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coast-to-coast which was absolutely

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amazing and you did four straight hours

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on the air why was that four hours yeah

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yeah we flew by I have so much fun

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hanging out with you

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it goes in a blink of an eye it's pretty

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cool to get exposed to something like

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that to see you know what a studio like

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that is and and you know you're the

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biggest network in the world and all of

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that for you that's cool for me because

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you get to see how our you know the

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production goes down and it's it's cool

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it's fun but for me to have you there

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for four hours live 101 a one-on-one and

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to take phone calls and to engage in

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conversation it's the best cuz normally

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I'm there by myself and I had a great

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time so thank you for that and you went

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to the bloody end man it was pretty cool

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yeah thank you that was fun

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now here we are now okay this is what

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I'm can I say something crazy I'm gonna

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start off I'm gonna start off like this

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Jason you've written a lot about magic

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and the occult and I know you I've hung

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out with you I've seen you in person and

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in your pictures when you talk about in

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some of your presentations too when you

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talk about magic and you're talking

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about the occult or you're talking about

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John Dee and you'd look at you your

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image you have a little your little

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warlock ish I deny everything I'm just a

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normal boy from you know Southern

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California he's nothing strange or out

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of the ordinary about me in the

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slightest exactly and so when people see

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you and you're talking about this and

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you're writing about this they look at

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your picture mark well yeah okay makes

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sense you know he's got he's got a

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little it's got a little something going

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did you always have that look and are

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you cognizant of of of the look I know

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I'm absolutely I'm completely unselfish

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oh it must be something that you know is

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just just there maybe it's some type of

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you know something strange radiating in

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my aura from all the weird things that

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I've done but no and you know from my

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corner of the universe I seem perfectly

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normal and and mundane even but man who

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knows how other people see me you know

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do you have a giant pentagram tattooed

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on your back I have two giant pentagrams

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actually one one upright and no I

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actually have no I have no tattoos I'm

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very I'm very normal and boring Jimi I

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like you know I kind of just like watch

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Netflix and you know and cook and summon

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creatures from the nether world and you

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know you've got a cauldron yeah I have

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an instant instant pot that's like a

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cauldron what you know why for I think

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some witches probably use a crock pot

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for these days it you know it certainly

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saves on a lot of things well but here

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we are what is Halloween for you I mean

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I love I love Halloween I love this time

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of the year I love the smell I love

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October you know and it goes back to my

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childhood for you

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what is Halloween for you well first of

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all every day is Halloween when when

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you're meeting but no I I think that

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Halloween for me is the one day that our

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society allows things to be a little

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fuzzy around the edges it's the one day

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that we're allowed to let down our guard

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a little bit and maybe entertain the

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idea of other ideas about reality the

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idea of another world the you know the

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the veil between the worlds becoming

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thin and I think that has always been

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really fascinating for me and like you I

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love the holiday and I love this the

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smells and the experience and just that

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autumn feeling but even more than that I

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loved it that's the day that our society

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lets down its guard because the guard is

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all the way up every other single day of

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the year and you know we live in a very

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sterilized society sometimes we live in

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a society that you know in which flights

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of the imagination or seen as not

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productive or not helpful for society

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and so but our society allows this one

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pressure release where we can have this

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one day where just go wild you know and

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and entertain the idea of magic and

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spirits and the crazy the kernel of it

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the craziest thing about that for me is

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that really what is being

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pressure-release there is the whole

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ancient pagan world it's it's it's the

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natural state of humanity when we were

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immersed in the idea of spirits and

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magic and and immersion in that level of

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reality before all of that was paved

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over by first you know the domination of

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Christianity and then the scientific

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worldview and now the hyper

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technological world all of that is like

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layers of pavement over what's really

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are innate Nate you know our innate

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nature are an eight-way of being this

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kind of shamanic animistic you know

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tribal worldview and it's always there

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it never goes away of course some of us

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you know love that so much that we

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decide to immerse ourselves in in that

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type of thinking our whole lives but you

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know it's it can never be covered over

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just like you know of course Christian

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holiday just like all of our holidays

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and that's always fascinated me so I

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love that it's a pressure-release and we

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get to we get to we get to play that day

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with the freedom that Halloween brings

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us which is not not which is which is

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the ability to to dress up to have fun

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to go to parties to dress up

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let let our kids and our children have

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fun and freedom of expression and you

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know maybe somebody wants to dress up as

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a zebra somebody wants to dress up as a

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Star Wars character somebody wants to be

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a witch right somebody wants to be a

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sexy nurse whatever it it doesn't matter

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right you're supposed to have this

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freedom of expression and now we're in

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this PC politically correct world and

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even Halloween isn't isn't cool anymore

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and I just don't get it isn't it

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supposed to be the one time where

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nothing matters and

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allowed to just let everything hang free

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yeah totally but I think for that reason

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Halloween has always been terrifying to

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people you know it's it's the day it's

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the night of the year where you know

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parents kind of let their children go

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out to go trick-or-treating or maybe

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they don't maybe they don't even do that

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anymore you know the way things are now

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but you know we live in such a

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controlled and fearful society that yeah

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I mean it's you know can we even let our

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hair down that much I think that you're

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connecting it to the idea of free

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expression is really important I mean we

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live in a society now where people are

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you know they are have the ability to

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communicate all over the world but they

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have to second and triple and quadruple

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guess everything they say in public and

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every tweet and you know anything you

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can say anything you say at any time can

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can it will be held against you you know

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so we live in a culture that's quite you

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know has the ability to be have total

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freedom of expression but is is also

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very very paranoid about you know saying

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just the right thing and you know again

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to bring it back to the ancient world if

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you look at things like the Roman Empire

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or or or or similar things even the

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Middle Ages there were always holidays

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there were there were lots and lots of

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days where people were allowed to just

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let it all out and that was important

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because for instance in the Middle Ages

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life was short and hard and full of work

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and suffering and disease and fear and

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and and for that reason holidays were

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really important and people needed

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opportunities to go wild to get drunk to

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you know to put on masks masks of course

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allow you to be your true self and let

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down the escape in many ways what is a

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straitjacket put on us by society which

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is you know having to conform to

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society's expectations of us so that's

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very very healthy it's important I think

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in in this country for instance it's why

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people go to Burning Man and festivals

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like that because they need that

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pressure pressure release and I think

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that's very very healthy for a society

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to have and you know whether it's

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Halloween or or whatever it happens to

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be Burning Man or whatever it happens to

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be I think it's very very

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psychologically healthy for people to be

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able to take off the mask you know

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ironically when we put on a mask we are

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able to take off the mask of our of our

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day-to-day personality and I think

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that's very healthy for people there is

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all of the houses all on Halloween it's

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they are I guess you could say that

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everybody's in the entertainment

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industry there they're in the movie

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industry special-effects costumes

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directors actors right and it's you know

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participate in the craziest haunted

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house thing you know walking up the

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special-effects ever it's totally cool

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it's so much fun and it's jam-packed

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with families right and we're there and

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I'm trying to think our daughters were

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probably at that time eight years old

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and and we take them down there and I we

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get down to the end of the street around

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the corner and they have a guillotine

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crazy crazy giant guillotine and they go

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I'm standing there I got you know I'm

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holding both of my daughter's hands and

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there were trick-or-treating and doing

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all the stuff I'm looking at this

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guillotine which is like 30 feet tall

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like a you know or real guillotine

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dude steps up throws his head down on

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the thing right the the blade comes down

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chops his head off the head goes rolling

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down this thing and into a bucket right

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blood and I was like oh my god you know

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and everybody's freaking out now it was

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pretty cool specialists ill you have to

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ask Rita to I don't know how they pulled

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it off man it was really really cool is

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that wrong

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I'm telling I'm standing there with my

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eight-year-old kids and

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I thought it was real now it but what do

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you think well I think I think it's

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healthy as long as it's not actually

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real you know it's like it's it's

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interesting that you you know what came

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to me when you were talking about this

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is this is kind of what people want to

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do well I don't want to say what people

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want to do but you know there's always

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an element of society of you know people

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are there's resentment you know that the

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rich people's fear poor people poor

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people despise rich people so I think

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it's very healthy whether it's that or

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anything else to kind of play enact it

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and again have it be a pressure-release

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and and let off a little steam and kind

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of laugh about it and poke fun of it it

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really drops the you know again it's a

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it's it's psychologically healthy it

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lets off steam and allows us to you know

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Express it's important to express our

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perhaps dark and destructive urges you

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know as art or as play or as theatre so

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that they're released and they don't

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build up and turn into something that is

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actually destructive to society now what

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is when we look at the way the society

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now thinks about witches there is kind

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of like two or three different ways to

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take a look one we have the Wizard of Oz

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right and we have the good in the bad

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witches and you'll you know we could

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always think of the the bad witch in The

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Wizard of Oz you know writing the broom

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the crazy hat the crooked nose maybe

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even a shade of green in her skin

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there's that part then there's the good

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witch then there's the witches of Salem

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and then you have witches today that'll

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say no you know went up that the witches

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are good you know they're there why has

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it twisted up in society now that that

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that witches are bad and they do bad

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things but yeah witches will defend

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themselves as we do nothing but good

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things where did all of this start well

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I think the real core of

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thinking about which is is that it's a

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woman's it's a woman's symbol right it's

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a symbol of female wisdom perhaps and

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also you know a female power perhaps and

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it was always of course if you go back

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to the Salem witch trials and the witch

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burnings in the Middle Ages there was

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this mass panic that women perhaps had

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magical powers that they were using for

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for ill and I think that's been

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reclaimed as a symbol by women currently

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particularly young women who see that as

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a very empowering thing to be I think

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women now particularly they like that

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idea they like the idea of being a

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little a little magical having a little

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bit of a little bit of extra power of

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course everyone likes that idea everyone

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wants to be a little bit magical and

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have a little bit of extra power or

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insight or whatever it happens to be so

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but the witch is a symbol that's been

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with us since the beginning of recorded

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history I mean we can talk about the

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Witch of Endor in the Bible or we can

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talk about you know there were accounts

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of witches in ancient Rome and and all

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throughout in in India and all

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throughout the entire world and it's

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very much I think always been connected

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with the idea of that there's just

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something about women it is

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indescribable and bewitching and it is

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it can sometimes be quite frightening

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for men because you know as men of

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course you know no matter how perhaps

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intelligent or you know rational we are

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or powerful or wealthy we're always at

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some level going to be under the power

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of of women perhaps you know perhaps you

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know a heterosexual men and I think and

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and really that's kind of all throughout

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history we have the stories of you know

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whole empires have fallen to one woman's

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whims you know if you look at Helen of

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Troy or there's so many stories like

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that from history or from modern history

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where you know a woman has been that you

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know a very powerful man's downfall so

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there's just something about women that

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is seems to transcend anything that men

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can perhaps fathom or you know capacity

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and that's a very magical position and

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something that I think has been quite I

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think that people throughout history

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have been fascinated with and of course

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terrifies some people and fascinates

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fascinates others so yeah I mean there's

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so much there with the the symbol and

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the reality of the witch there's

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something else very interesting here and

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and I need to say this in defense of all

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the men in in the world

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warlocks can't hold a candle to a witch

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nobody even cares

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it's really funny right if you go see

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you laugh because you know exactly what

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I'm saying here if you if you think

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about some of the pop culture ways of

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looking at this whether it's like the TV

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show bewitched right you had you had all

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of the witches really the warlocks and

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and and that they didn't have the power

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they weren't you know the real the real

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power lied within the witches and and I

422
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don't I don't get that

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throughout history we witches are talked

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about all the time warlocks ignored and

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I'm here to stand up I'm here to stand

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up today for all the warlocks out there

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but why Thank You Jimmy yes why why why

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is that well on a tangent I have a very

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funny story to relate about that which

430
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was a couple years ago I was in New York

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on a panel with the head of the of the I

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believe the International psychoanalytic

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Association and I was talking about

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magic and he was quite terrified by this

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I you know like very straight-laced

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psychoanalyst do not want to talk about

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these things and he started immediately

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making fun of magic and saying like oh

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it's just you know this obsession where

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you just you know mysticism is just this

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obsession where you just want to go back

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to the womb and worship the goddess and

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then he said and you know isn't it crazy

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that there's just witches everywhere you

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know every woman wants to be a witch

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but there's you know there's like no

447
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warlocks you can count them on one hand

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and I said can you imagine how good my

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life must be what was his response not

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no response they have not sure you knew

451
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what to make of that but he was not a

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fan of me but I think that the the the

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real the reality of that I mean this is

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something that has been talked about in

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mythology and and sacred texts and

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religions all throughout human history

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where how do I put it

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men are very much about building and

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constructing and trying to understand

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what is where women particularly from

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the mystic end of thinking are able to

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just embody what is women are much more

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in touch with their you know I'm porcine

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speaking in generalities and I don't

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mean to overly stereotype but women I

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think in general are much more in touch

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with their intuition and with the

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natural flow state of reality and men of

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course are always questing for that they

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want to understand it they want to

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perhaps control it or possess it or in

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some way you know match themselves to it

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but women just are they they have a way

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of embodying it you know and in India

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the classic phrase is Shiva cannot

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manifest without his Shakti so you know

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there's this understanding that you know

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behind every man is it's not just behind

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every man is a good woman because that

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implies some type of hierarchy it's more

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that you know men cannot men really are

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nothing until they are you know within a

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productive partnership with you know if

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the feminine force and of course this is

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again we're getting into kind of gender

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essentialism it can is not necessarily

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heterosexual I mean these things can

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management both feminine and matt and

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masculine qualities can manifest in

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either gender so mm-hmm

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yeah but but throughout history it's

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very easy to recognize

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who was always there the sorceress right

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the witch that you know that that way it

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doesn't matter what culture it was

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always the same thing and when it came

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what do we what do we men have what

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Merlin right there's that there's that

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much out there representing us who was

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the guy that was the head of the Satanic

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church up in San Francisco what was his

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name

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oh and Anton LaVey he doesn't count he

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didn't even really believe in anything

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supernatural right but Anton LaVey

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wouldn't was never taken serious right

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it just never right and that was like

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the best us men could do well there's

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tons of male magicians or warlocks

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throughout history I mean Apollonius of

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Tyana Simon Magus John Dee Giordano

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Bruno Aleister Crowley Jack Parsons

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right but they tend to be yeah there's

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fewer of them and it it's a different

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attitude it's a different perspective

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than the female perspective and I think

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that even within the Western magical

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tradition there's very much an

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understanding of the essential feminine

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quality of reality and the reality

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itself is feminine and in a certain way

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you know which is Glyph perhaps by the

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goddess Kali in India or the goddess

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Babylon and in Western magic and many

525
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many other symbols throughout throughout

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world throughout world sacred cultures

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yeah and and it's it's it's it's okay

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with me when when we think about witches

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and and different sources and you know

530
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look at look at Greece and and Rome in

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Egypt and and and certainly the United

532
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Kingdom and and Northern Europe and here

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in the United States and Salem and so

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forth at that you know it's it's all

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over the place but the strong the strong

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warlock figure or that type of magical

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situation with the men it's it's we're

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not we have been represented and John

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Dee I'm seven five year

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Gandhi one of the most remarkable men

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throughout history and you know and your

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book is amazing and I had something that

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was I had read I wanted to try to keep

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this straight in my head over the

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weekend that I didn't talk to you before

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about John D and that's the Voynich

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manuscript and yes

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yes and and and you and I didn't discuss

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that and over the weekend I was doing

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some research and and that came up and I

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was like how did how did Jason and I not

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discuss that when he was on the show but

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you're right John D but the point is

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even with John D you have to go and

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search for that it's not like there's a

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you know a John D TV series or comic

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book or pop culture thing that is

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something that you have to go and dig

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for and be a historian or a fan of to go

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and get that revealed right but charm

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does back on TV I know it is it is and

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so is a you know what else is back on

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Sabrina the Teenage Witch yeah yep yep

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are you watching it okay not yet not yet

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are you going to I will have a slumber

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party at some point where we all watch

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Sabrina the Teenage Witch okay I'm gonna

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do the big reveal right now I started

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watching it last night I admit okay all

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right let's go here let's see what's

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happening with this I was as a father of

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two daughters I was forced into watching

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Sabrina the Teenage Witch when it was in

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its first run so I got to go back and

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revisit it let's take a break right here

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Jason our guest tonight Jason Louv this

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is night one of our Halloween week here

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on fade to black we're gonna discuss

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everything when we come back we'll get

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into the history of Halloween of course

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I do I want to talk about goblins I do I

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want to talk about all of this stuff

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we're gonna do everything tonight here

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on fade to black follow me on twitter i

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t-shirts ready you can follow Jason at

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Jason Lou

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and we'll be right back after this short

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break stay with us

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all right welcome back fade to black our

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guest tonight Jason Lou's night one of

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our Halloween week here on fade to black

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tomorrow night Maureen wood is going to

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be here just gonna tell us her favorite

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ghost stories with the new book that you

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just co-authored and we have it here

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it's called more ghost chronicles and

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Wednesday night shot the Loon which is

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gonna be here now check this out Jason

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and there couldn't be a better warm up

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to the show tonight before I got over to

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the bunker one of our dogs was barking

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all day at our grill outside couldn't

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stop he was staring at it staring at it

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and so I went out there Reed is standing

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behind me and I'm like then what is

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going on with this I open up the doors

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to the grill just to see you know maybe

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there's a dead rat in there I don't know

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and and opened it up and there was a

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black cat a kitten inside of our grill

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and just looked at me these bright gold

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eyes I scream Rita screams the cat bolts

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out of the grill runs up the wall out of

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the yard

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but there you go they kick off the

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Halloween week black cat stuck in our

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grill freaking out our dog scared us to

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death and here we are tonight pretty

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cool

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there you go maybe it was just keeping

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your grill clear of mice I know she was

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doing you a favor

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it's bizarre bad I wasn't expecting

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anything but our dog was just driving

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his crazy it was Teddy her dog and just

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driving his nuts and configure I don't

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know how there was little to kitten

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little cruiser guy about talking and and

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then took off that's more adorable

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that's more adorable I know I know and

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now we so we bring up Sabrina and

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charmed and I'm watching Twitter here I

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guess everybody is watching charmed and

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Sabrina yeah I don't feel so guilty and

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in revealing the Sabrina the Teenage

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Witch

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okay now let's talk about the history of

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Halloween which if you go back to the

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etymology and you look at the name

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Halloween first off it's uh it's it took

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it's a Christian holiday right well I'm

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looking at my my vintage copy of the man

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myth and magic encyclopedia right now

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which I'm sure anyone many people

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remember from the 1970s and it's

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informed me that it was originally a

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pagan holiday it was originally a fire

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festival and it goes back to the British

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Isles it's a it's a Celtic fire festival

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and it was just like all the other

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holidays and pagan Europe co-opted by

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the church as they came in and you know

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conquered the pagans and and co-opted a

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bit of religions of course they'd still

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wanted their holidays so in many cases

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they just renamed the pagan holidays

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with the names of Christian saints and

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we and Christianized them but and to all

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intents and purposes they're still the

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same Christmas of course is another

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example of that Christmas was originally

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Yule which was a pagan holiday where you

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know trees were decorated and gifts were

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left under under a tree and of course

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Santa Claus is a is a pagan symbol and

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many people have suggested a symbol of

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the Omni to muscaria psychedelic

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mushroom that grows underneath trees in

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northern Europe but that was the deal

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with Halloween it was a fire festival it

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was a festival for communing with dead

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for commuting with ancestors of course

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ancestral rituals are common in every

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single religion

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excuse me every single culture

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throughout the world prior to the coming

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of Christianity although you could argue

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that Christianity has its own forms of

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ancestral contact or worship and that

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was the deal and and so it was this was

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around the seventh century it was turned

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into a Christian holiday and all saints

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you know All Saint's Eve instead of

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instead of the original

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or All Souls Day you know followed by

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All Souls Day and Roman Catholicism as

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opposed to the original the original

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holiday but you can't you can't change

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these things too much because even if

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you look at Halloween just a little bit

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close up there's not a whole lot of

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Christianity there when you go and you

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look and like I said the etymology right

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Hallows mean st. so it was all saints

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Eve was the the true meaning of

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Halloween I think a lot of people would

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be surprised by that yes yeah yeah

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certainly there was a at least at one

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point there was a Christian connection

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and it was Christianized but I think

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it's probably only skin-deep know now

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what okay so then the the

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jack-o'-lanterns you know we'll talk

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about the candy and the celebration of

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the haunted houses here a little bit

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what it's turned into today but the the

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jack-o'-lanterns they did and I was

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watching or looking at some of the

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images back then where they would do

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like different vegetables cut faces into

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it light them up from the inside this

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goes back hundreds and hundreds and

810
00:37:12,460 --> 00:37:09,650
hundreds of years where did this

811
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:12,470
tradition start with the

812
00:37:17,620 --> 00:37:14,210
jack-o'-lanterns and and because they

813
00:37:19,150 --> 00:37:17,630
are jack-o'-lanterns are scary right and

814
00:37:20,770 --> 00:37:19,160
you're supposed to carve them to be a

815
00:37:23,740 --> 00:37:20,780
scary face you put a candle on the

816
00:37:25,299 --> 00:37:23,750
inside of it it's glowing and it you

817
00:37:28,030 --> 00:37:25,309
know looks like fire and it's kind of

818
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:28,040
frightening where did these traditions

819
00:37:32,289 --> 00:37:29,680
start and why did they do it

820
00:37:34,750 --> 00:37:32,299
well there's a couple threads to pull on

821
00:37:37,030 --> 00:37:34,760
there one is of course that we can't

822
00:37:41,049 --> 00:37:37,040
forget the time of Halloween it's also a

823
00:37:43,150 --> 00:37:41,059
harvest festival it's the you know it's

824
00:37:44,650 --> 00:37:43,160
an autumnal festival and so it's the

825
00:37:48,190 --> 00:37:44,660
time when people are harvesting crops

826
00:37:50,020 --> 00:37:48,200
that have grown during the summer and so

827
00:37:52,210 --> 00:37:50,030
of course there's lots of things like

828
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:52,220
pumpkins and gourds and and all of that

829
00:37:57,780 --> 00:37:55,000
are now fully grown and can be used

830
00:38:00,360 --> 00:37:57,790
the other one is the idea that as it

831
00:38:04,230 --> 00:38:00,370
there's I think an instinctual dread in

832
00:38:06,810 --> 00:38:04,240
humans of the dark and Halloween of

833
00:38:09,720 --> 00:38:06,820
course this time of the year is also the

834
00:38:12,060 --> 00:38:09,730
point in the yearly cycle where it

835
00:38:14,670 --> 00:38:12,070
starts to get dark it's summer is

836
00:38:17,010 --> 00:38:14,680
definitely over it's it's dark now it's

837
00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:17,020
cold there's that but you know that

838
00:38:24,510 --> 00:38:20,770
unmistakable autumn chill the wind the

839
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:24,520
smell of Halloween in and and that's the

840
00:38:29,460 --> 00:38:26,890
coming of winter and so there's an

841
00:38:31,710 --> 00:38:29,470
instinct that winter is coming in and we

842
00:38:35,670 --> 00:38:31,720
can't forget that winter was not a

843
00:38:37,650 --> 00:38:35,680
trivial thing prior to you know things

844
00:38:39,210 --> 00:38:37,660
like electricity and electric heating

845
00:38:41,280 --> 00:38:39,220
and things like that I mean people would

846
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:41,290
die during winter if they people did not

847
00:38:46,350 --> 00:38:43,330
get proper you know there wasn't enough

848
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:46,360
firewood if enough food had not been

849
00:38:51,930 --> 00:38:49,930
stored from the summer harvest if

850
00:38:54,210 --> 00:38:51,940
perhaps crops were blighted if there was

851
00:38:56,910 --> 00:38:54,220
less food than expected winter could be

852
00:38:59,100 --> 00:38:56,920
a very very grueling and frightening

853
00:39:00,840 --> 00:38:59,110
time and not every member of the tribe

854
00:39:02,430 --> 00:39:00,850
might make it not every member of the

855
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:02,440
family might make it you know people

856
00:39:07,170 --> 00:39:04,450
might die from lack of food or from cold

857
00:39:08,820 --> 00:39:07,180
so so there's a real fear there so

858
00:39:12,210 --> 00:39:08,830
there's that and I think that there was

859
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:12,220
also this sense that it was because of

860
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:15,070
the coming of the darkness it was a kind

861
00:39:21,450 --> 00:39:18,370
of a an in-between neither here nor

862
00:39:23,820 --> 00:39:21,460
there it's right on the cusp of of these

863
00:39:26,460 --> 00:39:23,830
two seasons and so because of that

864
00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:26,470
there's this sense of you know these

865
00:39:33,300 --> 00:39:28,930
this this space this inner zone between

866
00:39:35,340 --> 00:39:33,310
two worlds and so the idea you see this

867
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:35,350
idea repeated throughout cultures all

868
00:39:41,430 --> 00:39:38,650
over the world of wearing frightening

869
00:39:43,170 --> 00:39:41,440
masks or dressing up as demons or

870
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:43,180
monsters or creating things like

871
00:39:48,930 --> 00:39:45,010
jack-o'-lanterns with frightening faces

872
00:39:51,420 --> 00:39:48,940
or or you know creating some type you

873
00:39:53,550 --> 00:39:51,430
know scarecrows creating very frightful

874
00:39:55,710 --> 00:39:53,560
things but it's not to celebrate that

875
00:39:58,530 --> 00:39:55,720
it's actually that's always to scare

876
00:40:00,810 --> 00:39:58,540
away evil spirits it's to be more

877
00:40:03,420 --> 00:40:00,820
frightening and more scary into you know

878
00:40:06,180 --> 00:40:03,430
to have great festivals with loud noises

879
00:40:08,370 --> 00:40:06,190
and firecrackers and things like that to

880
00:40:11,279 --> 00:40:08,380
frighten away evil

881
00:40:14,969 --> 00:40:11,289
and evil spirits might manifest as you

882
00:40:18,029 --> 00:40:14,979
know blighted crop or you know you know

883
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:18,039
bad luck be falling the tribe or people

884
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:21,130
freezing and things like that so there

885
00:40:28,229 --> 00:40:23,670
was a real sense that it wasn't just

886
00:40:31,019 --> 00:40:28,239
play-acting there was this this real

887
00:40:32,969 --> 00:40:31,029
meat of scare away evil or scare away

888
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,979
bad luck and you see that repeated all

889
00:40:36,930 --> 00:40:34,960
over the world that James Fraser the

890
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:36,940
very famous anthropologist talks about

891
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:39,369
this in the golden bow and this is

892
00:40:44,819 --> 00:40:41,890
really at the root of not just Halloween

893
00:40:46,499 --> 00:40:44,829
but tons of tons of festivals all over

894
00:40:49,319 --> 00:40:46,509
the world you see it in Mardi Gras you

895
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:49,329
see it in Chinese New Year it's it's you

896
00:40:54,569 --> 00:40:52,569
know and I think that you know in it

897
00:40:56,729 --> 00:40:54,579
there's a real psychological component

898
00:40:58,499 --> 00:40:56,739
to it also when we're with other people

899
00:41:00,690 --> 00:40:58,509
and we're kind of going crazy and we're

900
00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:00,700
being loud we get to forget ourselves

901
00:41:10,229 --> 00:41:06,970
and it scares away the you know the you

902
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:10,239
might say you know bad luck or or evil

903
00:41:15,390 --> 00:41:13,210
thoughts that come from isolation or

904
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:15,400
being separated from other people you

905
00:41:20,579 --> 00:41:16,930
know when we're just stuck by ourselves

906
00:41:23,900 --> 00:41:20,589
then the mind can turn to you know not

907
00:41:26,759 --> 00:41:23,910
not very healthy avenues whereas in the

908
00:41:29,959 --> 00:41:26,769
just from social isolation whereas in

909
00:41:32,609 --> 00:41:29,969
that setting of this loud raucous crazy

910
00:41:34,499 --> 00:41:32,619
group party you're with the group and

911
00:41:36,509 --> 00:41:34,509
you're all being loud in your Bureau

912
00:41:38,430 --> 00:41:36,519
live and the sense of life in you is

913
00:41:40,769 --> 00:41:38,440
pushing back the darkness for another

914
00:41:43,650 --> 00:41:40,779
day you know and that's true of any

915
00:41:46,829 --> 00:41:43,660
party I think so that's that's that's

916
00:41:49,650 --> 00:41:46,839
what it's all about in my opinion how

917
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:49,660
did you know witches and warlocks and

918
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:52,450
goblins and you know in devils and

919
00:41:59,910 --> 00:41:56,890
demons start to get associated with with

920
00:42:04,620 --> 00:41:59,920
Halloween where it's it went from one

921
00:42:06,989 --> 00:42:04,630
aspect of of celebrating the dead or the

922
00:42:09,539 --> 00:42:06,999
way that Christianity looked at it and

923
00:42:12,059 --> 00:42:09,549
going back to the Celtic traditions of

924
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:12,069
of you know the end of a season and I

925
00:42:19,289 --> 00:42:14,650
understand all of that and then it got

926
00:42:21,059 --> 00:42:19,299
twisted into this this horror side of it

927
00:42:21,690 --> 00:42:21,069
that that they tried to paint this

928
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:21,700
picture when

929
00:42:26,820 --> 00:42:24,010
that start and it's never really stopped

930
00:42:29,370 --> 00:42:26,830
has it right well we live in kind of a

931
00:42:30,900 --> 00:42:29,380
confused culture you know we live in a

932
00:42:32,520 --> 00:42:30,910
well I don't necessarily want to say

933
00:42:34,260 --> 00:42:32,530
confuse but a culture where we have so

934
00:42:35,340 --> 00:42:34,270
many different influences from so many

935
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:35,350
different things so of course with

936
00:42:40,500 --> 00:42:38,410
Hollywood we've got you know I mean

937
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:40,510
what's what's there which shows up in in

938
00:42:46,140 --> 00:42:43,330
Halloween we've got the old pagan stuff

939
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:46,150
we've got demons from Christianity we've

940
00:42:51,540 --> 00:42:49,810
got Hollywood slasher movies we've got

941
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:51,550
but now people don't even dress up as

942
00:42:55,050 --> 00:42:53,290
just scary things it's like superheroes

943
00:42:57,240 --> 00:42:55,060
it's just like everything gets let out

944
00:42:59,460 --> 00:42:57,250
and this is kind of what I was touching

945
00:43:03,600 --> 00:42:59,470
upon earlier where Halloween over time

946
00:43:07,740 --> 00:43:03,610
has become less of a harvest festival or

947
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:07,750
less of a pagan thing and and more it's

948
00:43:12,990 --> 00:43:09,490
really in this country that they become

949
00:43:16,020 --> 00:43:13,000
much more of a holiday about the

950
00:43:19,590 --> 00:43:16,030
imagination in general and celebrating

951
00:43:24,210 --> 00:43:19,600
the imagination and that's something

952
00:43:26,550 --> 00:43:24,220
that we you know we don't always you

953
00:43:28,650 --> 00:43:26,560
know give Prague its proper do the rest

954
00:43:30,330 --> 00:43:28,660
of the year although we certainly love

955
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:30,340
to watch watch it in you know watch

956
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:32,890
movies and now people do cosplay all

957
00:43:36,930 --> 00:43:34,450
year round and things like that so

958
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:36,940
things have changed a little bit but you

959
00:43:41,010 --> 00:43:38,530
know we just live it we live in a

960
00:43:43,050 --> 00:43:41,020
mishmash culture where we've gotten so

961
00:43:45,150 --> 00:43:43,060
much stuff thrown at us by Hollywood I

962
00:43:47,220 --> 00:43:45,160
mean the whole idea of haunted houses

963
00:43:50,190 --> 00:43:47,230
and ghosts and things like that I mean

964
00:43:52,140 --> 00:43:50,200
that all comes from spiritualism and in

965
00:43:53,610 --> 00:43:52,150
the the end of the 19th century the

966
00:43:55,860 --> 00:43:53,620
beginning of the 20th century there was

967
00:43:57,810 --> 00:43:55,870
all that obsession with with trying to

968
00:43:59,700 --> 00:43:57,820
speak to the dead and what we see in

969
00:44:01,320 --> 00:43:59,710
movies like Paranormal Activity or

970
00:44:03,780 --> 00:44:01,330
hereditary and things like that that's

971
00:44:06,270 --> 00:44:03,790
very much the legacy of spiritualism

972
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:06,280
which was also a very American religious

973
00:44:09,630 --> 00:44:08,050
phenomenon but it's all thrown in there

974
00:44:12,260 --> 00:44:09,640
it's all a big mash I mean kind of like

975
00:44:15,060 --> 00:44:12,270
America I mean America in general is

976
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:15,070
that you can't really trace it to one

977
00:44:19,620 --> 00:44:17,530
culture or another it's got inherited

978
00:44:21,300 --> 00:44:19,630
its cultural DNA from this you know

979
00:44:24,390 --> 00:44:21,310
people have come here from all over the

980
00:44:26,610 --> 00:44:24,400
world to look for better lives and all

981
00:44:27,990 --> 00:44:26,620
of you know all of our traditions and

982
00:44:30,930 --> 00:44:28,000
you know have kind of been thrown

983
00:44:34,250 --> 00:44:30,940
together and made this new thing that's

984
00:44:38,260 --> 00:44:34,260
America so that's that's kind of

985
00:44:41,030 --> 00:44:38,270
that happened I think are you okay with

986
00:44:43,580 --> 00:44:41,040
you know when we're talking about magic

987
00:44:46,130 --> 00:44:43,590
and and of course the horror side of

988
00:44:48,650 --> 00:44:46,140
this and trying to scare you certainly

989
00:44:51,710 --> 00:44:48,660
and here in Southern California you are

990
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:51,720
very aware of all of the different theme

991
00:44:55,910 --> 00:44:53,610
parks that we have here

992
00:44:58,790 --> 00:44:55,920
I don't the the count is high I don't

993
00:45:01,960 --> 00:44:58,800
know what it is but their biggest 30

994
00:45:07,310 --> 00:45:01,970
days of the entire calendar year is

995
00:45:10,820 --> 00:45:07,320
Halloween right every one of them as the

996
00:45:13,220 --> 00:45:10,830
the biggest best Halloween scary night

997
00:45:16,460 --> 00:45:13,230
thing that goes on for 30 days goes on

998
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:16,470
all month and it has nothing to do with

999
00:45:24,220 --> 00:45:21,330
what Halloween used to be even 20 years

1000
00:45:27,940 --> 00:45:24,230
ago 30 years ago it is evolved into this

1001
00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:27,950
this haunted house scary thing about

1002
00:45:33,230 --> 00:45:30,690
being frightened and it's not what

1003
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:33,240
Halloween was about how did this all

1004
00:45:38,930 --> 00:45:37,410
start and are you okay with it I don't

1005
00:45:41,270 --> 00:45:38,940
think it matter either I don't think my

1006
00:45:44,540 --> 00:45:41,280
opinion matters that much but I think

1007
00:45:47,060 --> 00:45:44,550
that I don't know if it is that

1008
00:45:50,390 --> 00:45:47,070
different I think that it's still the

1009
00:45:51,770 --> 00:45:50,400
same impulse it's still that same thing

1010
00:45:54,110 --> 00:45:51,780
because when people go to theme parks

1011
00:45:56,990 --> 00:45:54,120
it's still a group experience that's

1012
00:45:59,870 --> 00:45:57,000
still the it's still a crazy celebration

1013
00:46:03,050 --> 00:45:59,880
and you know it's kind of like horror

1014
00:46:06,040 --> 00:46:03,060
movies right people don't watch horror

1015
00:46:09,410 --> 00:46:06,050
movies because they want to actually be

1016
00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:09,420
disturbed or hurt in some way they watch

1017
00:46:13,490 --> 00:46:11,550
horror movies because it's a controlled

1018
00:46:17,150 --> 00:46:13,500
experience I was actually thinking about

1019
00:46:18,680 --> 00:46:17,160
this last night and you know I was I was

1020
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:18,690
what why was I thinking about this I was

1021
00:46:24,470 --> 00:46:20,610
for some reason I ended up watching like

1022
00:46:27,380 --> 00:46:24,480
a YouTube a countdown of the top Friday

1023
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:27,390
13th movies you know or Friday the 13th

1024
00:46:31,520 --> 00:46:29,970
movies ranked from worst to best and I

1025
00:46:34,130 --> 00:46:31,530
was thinking about this and I thought

1026
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:34,140
you know life is kind of like a slasher

1027
00:46:38,180 --> 00:46:36,330
movie right it's like you know we're all

1028
00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:38,190
being stalked by death we're all gonna

1029
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:40,470
die at some point and it's

1030
00:46:45,140 --> 00:46:43,050
uncontrollable and scary and we can't

1031
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:45,150
get away from it and no matter what we

1032
00:46:50,780 --> 00:46:48,170
do we can't bargain with it we

1033
00:46:53,540 --> 00:46:50,790
try as we might you know we there's

1034
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:53,550
nothing we can do to stop the fact that

1035
00:46:58,190 --> 00:46:55,410
death is inevitable right and people

1036
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,200
have tried everything and will continue

1037
00:47:03,140 --> 00:47:00,720
to try every single thing they can to

1038
00:47:06,170 --> 00:47:03,150
get away from that fight finality of

1039
00:47:08,450 --> 00:47:06,180
life but so I think that people watch

1040
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:08,460
horror movies because it allows it's a

1041
00:47:14,690 --> 00:47:10,440
cathartic it allows them a little taste

1042
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:14,700
of it and they can feel that fear that

1043
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:16,650
is really the existential fear of being

1044
00:47:20,330 --> 00:47:18,450
alive but then they can turn you know

1045
00:47:23,420 --> 00:47:20,340
but then they there's a conclusion to

1046
00:47:25,970 --> 00:47:23,430
the movie the good guys win maybe and

1047
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:25,980
they can turn it off and walk away and

1048
00:47:29,750 --> 00:47:27,540
they've really it's again it's a

1049
00:47:32,360 --> 00:47:29,760
pressure-release they've released some

1050
00:47:34,580 --> 00:47:32,370
of that some of that fear and dread just

1051
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:34,590
of being alive and I think that you know

1052
00:47:40,250 --> 00:47:37,410
haunted houses and scary houses are you

1053
00:47:42,530 --> 00:47:40,260
know theme parks are very much the same

1054
00:47:44,690 --> 00:47:42,540
but it also has that element of a group

1055
00:47:47,540 --> 00:47:44,700
pagan celebration where everyone's there

1056
00:47:49,340 --> 00:47:47,550
having it's it's a kind of religious

1057
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:49,350
thing not in the sense of being a

1058
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:51,090
religion but in the sense that people

1059
00:47:57,890 --> 00:47:54,540
want this kind of shared experience that

1060
00:48:00,230 --> 00:47:57,900
takes them out of themselves and gives

1061
00:48:03,890 --> 00:48:00,240
them a heightened emotion of fear State

1062
00:48:05,500 --> 00:48:03,900
and that's of course you know they're

1063
00:48:07,850 --> 00:48:05,510
able to let go of

1064
00:48:09,710 --> 00:48:07,860
perhaps stress and fear that's built up

1065
00:48:11,510 --> 00:48:09,720
throughout the year that's that's the

1066
00:48:15,430 --> 00:48:11,520
quote we're gonna use from you from now

1067
00:48:17,660 --> 00:48:15,440
on the fear and dread of being alive

1068
00:48:19,430 --> 00:48:17,670
well if you want to get right well there

1069
00:48:23,330 --> 00:48:19,440
you go if you want to get right down to

1070
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:23,340
the truth there you go it's like nausea

1071
00:48:29,840 --> 00:48:27,330
as jean-paul Sartre put it now what was

1072
00:48:34,040 --> 00:48:29,850
I was just getting ready to ask you this

1073
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:34,050
and it popped up in Twitter what was

1074
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:37,530
Samhain let's get back to the basics

1075
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here for a second what was Samhain I

1076
00:48:46,070 --> 00:48:43,140
believe Samhain is the same it's the

1077
00:48:47,690 --> 00:48:46,080
same holiday isn't it it's just I have

1078
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to look it up I believe it's the same

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holiday or is it or is it all souls day

1080
00:48:58,340 --> 00:48:54,450
no it's oh okay so so Samhain is the

1081
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Gaelic festival of Halloween and it was

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celebrated October 31st November

1083
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first so it is perhaps the original

1084
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Celtic name of what became Halloween and

1085
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:12,610
how you mentioned this it is it a part

1086
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it's a part of our history that a lot of

1087
00:49:23,940 --> 00:49:19,030
a lot of us don't really understand but

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the church needed to not so much make

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peace but as it was gained strength by

1090
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by embracing the pagan religions of what

1091
00:49:38,940 --> 00:49:35,380
was going on in Great Britain and the

1092
00:49:41,220 --> 00:49:38,950
only way to do that was to look at a few

1093
00:49:44,610 --> 00:49:41,230
of their holidays too as well and bring

1094
00:49:46,350 --> 00:49:44,620
it into the Christian Church and the

1095
00:49:49,770 --> 00:49:46,360
Catholic Church and figure out a way to

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00:49:52,440 --> 00:49:49,780
move forward like Easter and Sunday and

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what days of the week and what days were

1098
00:49:58,560 --> 00:49:54,610
rest and what days were yeah all of

1099
00:50:00,780 --> 00:49:58,570
these things were joined together and

1100
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that's what they did with Halloween they

1101
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did the very same thing as they did like

1102
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you mentioned Christmas is another

1103
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example that's right I mean you have to

1104
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remember in the you know Christianity

1105
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was an occupying force in Europe it

1106
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wasn't just Great Britain it was all

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Northern Europe and the tribes that were

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there mm-hmm whether they were the you

1109
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know Gaelic Celtic or or you know the

1110
00:50:30,900 --> 00:50:28,960
Viking tribes things like this they they

1111
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had their own traditions and their own

1112
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religions and their own gods going back

1113
00:50:40,830 --> 00:50:37,960
thousands in some cases years that were

1114
00:50:44,640 --> 00:50:40,840
totally tied into their sense of tribal

1115
00:50:47,630 --> 00:50:44,650
identity that were kind of an unbroken

1116
00:50:51,320 --> 00:50:47,640
line from their ancestors that were

1117
00:50:54,620 --> 00:50:51,330
created from their own experience of

1118
00:50:57,270 --> 00:50:54,630
life and we're totally different from

1119
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you know the the Christian view of life

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for instance if you look at northern

1121
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paganism and you look at their gods Thor

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and Odin and Freya

1123
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:07,030
none of those gods celebrate the idea of

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meekness or being kind or you know

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00:51:14,020 --> 00:51:12,550
turning the other cheek now they were

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00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:14,030
all fearsome

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00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:15,890
yours men and women it's like that show

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00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:17,330
Vikings you know it was like they were

1129
00:51:21,970 --> 00:51:19,610
all fearsome warriors as you know of

1130
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:21,980
course a classic phrasing and northern

1131
00:51:27,610 --> 00:51:26,450
paganism that is you know Jesus Jesus

1132
00:51:32,410 --> 00:51:27,620
wants you to repent

1133
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:32,420
Odin wants you to man the eff up so that

1134
00:51:38,620 --> 00:51:36,410
was very much what the what the what the

1135
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:38,630
north's gods were like and so when

1136
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:42,650
Christianity went through they decide

1137
00:51:46,500 --> 00:51:44,330
they had to conquer it but you know you

1138
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:46,510
can't really as we know from studying

1139
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:48,650
occupation forces and things like this

1140
00:51:55,540 --> 00:51:53,210
in history it's very very hard to just

1141
00:51:58,900 --> 00:51:55,550
replace the religion of an indigenous

1142
00:52:00,790 --> 00:51:58,910
people it's very hard and it can only be

1143
00:52:04,390 --> 00:52:00,800
done by violence and that's violence

1144
00:52:07,930 --> 00:52:04,400
that is costly that is bloody that is

1145
00:52:10,690 --> 00:52:07,940
very you know unpleasant for everyone

1146
00:52:12,700 --> 00:52:10,700
concerned and ultimately if it only

1147
00:52:15,390 --> 00:52:12,710
builds resentment and when you build a

1148
00:52:18,580 --> 00:52:15,400
resentment like that it breeds

1149
00:52:20,770 --> 00:52:18,590
revolution and it breeds you know it

1150
00:52:23,050 --> 00:52:20,780
causes more problems for the occupying

1151
00:52:24,670 --> 00:52:23,060
force down the line because it's just

1152
00:52:26,200 --> 00:52:24,680
you know people are going to you know

1153
00:52:28,990 --> 00:52:26,210
train and guerrilla warfare and things

1154
00:52:31,270 --> 00:52:29,000
like that so the genius you know the

1155
00:52:34,300 --> 00:52:31,280
genius in a way of Christianity in

1156
00:52:37,510 --> 00:52:34,310
Europe is that they co-opted and this is

1157
00:52:39,550 --> 00:52:37,520
a strategy that people have have taken

1158
00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:39,560
sense the Roman Empire did similar

1159
00:52:45,670 --> 00:52:42,880
things but Christianity basically said

1160
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:45,680
keep your holidays keep your festivals

1161
00:52:49,630 --> 00:52:47,930
do don't you don't have to change your

1162
00:52:51,250 --> 00:52:49,640
way of life that much

1163
00:52:54,190 --> 00:52:51,260
you just have to submit to the church

1164
00:52:55,660 --> 00:52:54,200
you have to end and we will you can

1165
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:55,670
still keep your holidays but we're going

1166
00:52:58,210 --> 00:52:57,170
to name them after Saints now and

1167
00:53:00,220 --> 00:52:58,220
they're going to be dedicated to the

1168
00:53:02,290 --> 00:53:00,230
church and so it's kind of a judo move

1169
00:53:07,180 --> 00:53:02,300
in a sense where instead of attacking

1170
00:53:10,060 --> 00:53:07,190
the energy they co-opted into their

1171
00:53:12,550 --> 00:53:10,070
system and this was a very very devious

1172
00:53:16,060 --> 00:53:12,560
and ingenious method of control that was

1173
00:53:18,010 --> 00:53:16,070
used to control Europe and has been has

1174
00:53:21,850 --> 00:53:18,020
been used to control Europe for so long

1175
00:53:25,270 --> 00:53:21,860
that people forgot that things had ever

1176
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:25,280
been any other way you know and and all

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of those original pagan religions

1178
00:53:34,060 --> 00:53:31,640
and and ancestral forms and gods are

1179
00:53:36,850 --> 00:53:34,070
lost people have tried to reconstruct

1180
00:53:39,090 --> 00:53:36,860
them but the academic sources are very

1181
00:53:41,140 --> 00:53:39,100
scant and anything any type of new

1182
00:53:43,450 --> 00:53:41,150
paganism that people have tried to bring

1183
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:43,460
back as their for instance doing trying

1184
00:53:49,090 --> 00:53:45,050
to do very hard hard in Iceland right

1185
00:53:52,180 --> 00:53:49,100
now it has to be almost recreated from

1186
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:52,190
scratch because that way it was all just

1187
00:53:57,010 --> 00:53:55,130
paved over and and we have little

1188
00:54:00,850 --> 00:53:57,020
survivals of it here and there but you

1189
00:54:03,700 --> 00:54:00,860
know Jimmy I think that people don't

1190
00:54:05,020 --> 00:54:03,710
change that much and I think that it's

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kind of like what we're talking about

1192
00:54:12,610 --> 00:54:07,780
with Halloween being a pressure-release

1193
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:12,620
that the the memory never goes away it's

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00:54:18,820 --> 00:54:15,140
kind of like almost at a cellular or a

1195
00:54:20,410 --> 00:54:18,830
body level people still and and of

1196
00:54:22,570 --> 00:54:20,420
course the pagan rituals and all that

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00:54:24,750 --> 00:54:22,580
were an expression of something that

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00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:24,760
people needed in human nature anyways

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Christianity very much celebrates the

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idea of people being meek and docile and

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00:54:37,270 --> 00:54:34,820
and overcoming their animal nature as

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00:54:39,690 --> 00:54:37,280
whereas paganism in many ways celebrates

1203
00:54:41,830 --> 00:54:39,700
the animal nature of human beings and is

1204
00:54:44,770 --> 00:54:41,840
essentially just allows them to be as

1205
00:54:46,750 --> 00:54:44,780
they are and get their crazies out in a

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00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:46,760
productive way like some of the ways

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we've been talking about Janine just

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tweeted out that we you and I are

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salting the ears of all Gaelic Celts

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Samhain is pronounced assault Wayne oh

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no you don't want any apologies I see

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that's you know that's the politically

1213
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:09,310
correct world that we live in today

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right example of that let's take a break

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we'll be right back tonight is night one

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of our Halloween week of course jasonlew

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is here we're discussing all of it which

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is warlocks goblins the occult magic in

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the history of Halloween we'll be right

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oh man tonight night one of our

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Halloween week

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Jason Lube is our guest we're discussing

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all of it I want to know about witches

1306
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and warlocks and magic in the occult in

1307
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the history of Halloween and and Jason

1308
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you mentioned earlier I want to go back

1309
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I need some clarification here you said

1310
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like what's going on in Iceland right

1311
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now what's going on in Iceland oh yes

1312
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there's actually there's a man named

1313
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Hilmar Orem he'll Merson and I I don't

1314
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:46,910
you know I'm for anyone who's from

1315
01:00:51,550 --> 01:00:48,290
Iceland I might have got that one wrong

1316
01:00:55,359 --> 01:00:51,560
too but he's a very very famous musician

1317
01:00:58,810 --> 01:00:55,369
who's also the head of the Asajj root

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Church in Iceland oh so true is northern

1319
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paganism and he has been working on

1320
01:01:07,650 --> 01:01:05,240
building the first pagan temple I

1321
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:07,660
believe in Northern Europe in the last

1322
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thousand years and it's either been

1323
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completed or just about to be completed

1324
01:01:20,170 --> 01:01:17,000
and paganism you know people are

1325
01:01:22,210 --> 01:01:20,180
actively worshipping the Norse gods in

1326
01:01:24,460 --> 01:01:22,220
Iceland for the first time again and

1327
01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:24,470
perhaps you know openly people have

1328
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:26,329
always done it but openly in a real way

1329
01:01:31,780 --> 01:01:29,359
in the last thousand years and it's it's

1330
01:01:33,880 --> 01:01:31,790
popping up in the mainstream news a lot

1331
01:01:37,569 --> 01:01:33,890
lately it's a huge project that they're

1332
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up to some of my friends over there have

1333
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told me about there's a real urge a real

1334
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people really want to rediscover their

1335
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authentic spirituality and a sense of

1336
01:01:51,849 --> 01:01:47,990
connection and I think it's no mistake

1337
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because we live in such a you know

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disconnected time we live in a time in

1339
01:01:58,000 --> 01:01:56,270
which we're all isolated from each other

1340
01:02:00,730 --> 01:01:58,010
even though we have social media which

1341
01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:00,740
somehow seems to isolate us more we

1342
01:02:05,349 --> 01:02:03,380
don't have a sense of connection to our

1343
01:02:08,109 --> 01:02:05,359
ancestors or our past

1344
01:02:09,819 --> 01:02:08,119
we're very unrooted you know that's a

1345
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:09,829
process that's of course been going on

1346
01:02:13,839 --> 01:02:12,050
since industrialization when people were

1347
01:02:17,690 --> 01:02:13,849
torn away from their families to go work

1348
01:02:20,010 --> 01:02:17,700
in factories but now even more so I mean

1349
01:02:23,250 --> 01:02:20,020
people don't really have an identity

1350
01:02:25,110 --> 01:02:23,260
outside of what's offered to them by you

1351
01:02:26,250 --> 01:02:25,120
know whatever the latest Star Wars movie

1352
01:02:28,740 --> 01:02:26,260
is or something like that

1353
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:28,750
is the closest they get to having you

1354
01:02:33,960 --> 01:02:31,090
know their identity is what brands they

1355
01:02:36,870 --> 01:02:33,970
like what TV shows they like things like

1356
01:02:39,210 --> 01:02:36,880
that so I don't think it's any mistake

1357
01:02:41,310 --> 01:02:39,220
that there's a real hunger and a real

1358
01:02:45,120 --> 01:02:41,320
need because that's part of human nature

1359
01:02:47,700 --> 01:02:45,130
we need to be connected to not just our

1360
01:02:49,200 --> 01:02:47,710
own spirituality but our own past and

1361
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:49,210
our sense of where we've come from

1362
01:02:55,220 --> 01:02:51,970
otherwise we're unrooted and just

1363
01:02:59,520 --> 01:02:55,230
drifting in the the abyss of you know

1364
01:03:01,320 --> 01:02:59,530
hyper capitalist society what do we I

1365
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:01,330
want to stay on this for a second

1366
01:03:07,350 --> 01:03:03,760
because I've always been interested in

1367
01:03:10,080 --> 01:03:07,360
the pagan side of things but what do we

1368
01:03:13,140 --> 01:03:10,090
really know what do we really understand

1369
01:03:15,210 --> 01:03:13,150
are there texts and things that have

1370
01:03:18,510 --> 01:03:15,220
been handed down because when we look at

1371
01:03:22,140 --> 01:03:18,520
you know the origins of say stonehenge

1372
01:03:25,680 --> 01:03:22,150
and that that was built by the pagans

1373
01:03:28,050 --> 01:03:25,690
but we really don't know or do we are

1374
01:03:30,930 --> 01:03:28,060
there texts and things that have been

1375
01:03:33,780 --> 01:03:30,940
handed down that go back you know three

1376
01:03:36,720 --> 01:03:33,790
four thousand years there are bits and

1377
01:03:39,600 --> 01:03:36,730
pieces but the reality is we really

1378
01:03:43,080 --> 01:03:39,610
don't know anything and since the 60s

1379
01:03:47,010 --> 01:03:43,090
since the neo-pagan movement there has

1380
01:03:48,510 --> 01:03:47,020
been this real drive to resurrect these

1381
01:03:50,580 --> 01:03:48,520
things and to call them back and of

1382
01:03:54,300 --> 01:03:50,590
course a lot of the people who started

1383
01:03:56,640 --> 01:03:54,310
neo-pagan groups in the 60s did so and

1384
01:03:58,020 --> 01:03:56,650
gave themselves an air of legitimacy by

1385
01:04:00,300 --> 01:03:58,030
saying that they were in some type of

1386
01:04:04,230 --> 01:04:00,310
unbroken tradition going back hundreds

1387
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:04,240
of years that had been had been you know

1388
01:04:07,500 --> 01:04:06,130
that had just been hidden during the

1389
01:04:09,450 --> 01:04:07,510
burning times or something like this but

1390
01:04:12,030 --> 01:04:09,460
the reality is you know all of these

1391
01:04:13,620 --> 01:04:12,040
things were created mostly out of you

1392
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:13,630
know Tolkien books and things like that

1393
01:04:20,400 --> 01:04:17,230
and there was a lot of make-believe and

1394
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:20,410
best guesses and I think that's changed

1395
01:04:26,250 --> 01:04:22,930
recently you know there's been a lot of

1396
01:04:28,140 --> 01:04:26,260
emphasis on academic rigor of which of

1397
01:04:29,790 --> 01:04:28,150
which my book is part you know in in the

1398
01:04:30,510 --> 01:04:29,800
magical world people really want to get

1399
01:04:32,340 --> 01:04:30,520
to that kind of

1400
01:04:35,550 --> 01:04:32,350
sources but even that said we still

1401
01:04:37,890 --> 01:04:35,560
don't know really anything if you want

1402
01:04:41,030 --> 01:04:37,900
to see an unbroken pagan tradition you

1403
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:41,040
have to go to India because Hinduism is

1404
01:04:47,610 --> 01:04:44,170
essentially very very similar in many

1405
01:04:52,290 --> 01:04:47,620
ways to what northern european paganism

1406
01:04:55,350 --> 01:04:52,300
was hinduism is much closer or I should

1407
01:04:58,050 --> 01:04:55,360
say northern paganism European paganism

1408
01:05:00,570 --> 01:04:58,060
is much much closer to Hinduism than

1409
01:05:03,540 --> 01:05:00,580
anything from Christianity they were

1410
01:05:05,820 --> 01:05:03,550
they're very very similar and and India

1411
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:05,830
of course has had unbroken religious

1412
01:05:12,110 --> 01:05:08,290
continuity for perhaps ten thousand

1413
01:05:14,550 --> 01:05:12,120
years and it stands as a real

1414
01:05:17,310 --> 01:05:14,560
inspiration my friend a key setter Berg

1415
01:05:20,040 --> 01:05:17,320
wrote a book called journeys and pagan

1416
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:20,050
India where he he's from Finland and he

1417
01:05:25,350 --> 01:05:23,290
went to India to rediscover what living

1418
01:05:26,940 --> 01:05:25,360
paganism is like because it's all around

1419
01:05:29,130 --> 01:05:26,950
you there it's the whole country it's

1420
01:05:32,970 --> 01:05:29,140
everyone is participating in it but then

1421
01:05:35,690 --> 01:05:32,980
he ultimately was drawn back to Northern

1422
01:05:40,190 --> 01:05:35,700
Europe and realized that he needed to

1423
01:05:42,660 --> 01:05:40,200
rekindle his own sense of of his own

1424
01:05:45,390 --> 01:05:42,670
ancestral tradition but that's a tall

1425
01:05:48,260 --> 01:05:45,400
order because we just I mean it's very

1426
01:05:50,670 --> 01:05:48,270
fragmentary not much was left after

1427
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:50,680
after you know the tide turned to

1428
01:05:58,380 --> 01:05:53,770
Christianity that's very interesting

1429
01:06:00,360 --> 01:05:58,390
because we know what okay let's make a

1430
01:06:04,590 --> 01:06:00,370
general statement let's just like piss

1431
01:06:09,080 --> 01:06:04,600
off everybody right now in in that is

1432
01:06:12,660 --> 01:06:09,090
every Christian Catholic holiday

1433
01:06:15,150 --> 01:06:12,670
celebration borrowed right and and then

1434
01:06:17,070 --> 01:06:15,160
if we if what you're suggesting here is

1435
01:06:23,220 --> 01:06:17,080
even the pagan traditions are those

1436
01:06:25,230 --> 01:06:23,230
borrowed from from India hmm well one

1437
01:06:28,470 --> 01:06:25,240
thing that has always fascinated me is

1438
01:06:30,870 --> 01:06:28,480
that and I feel I can't back this up but

1439
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:30,880
I feel this to be intuitively true as

1440
01:06:35,700 --> 01:06:32,890
somebody who spent a lot of time in

1441
01:06:37,920 --> 01:06:35,710
India a lot of time immersed in Hinduism

1442
01:06:39,900 --> 01:06:37,930
basically you know and and the the pagan

1443
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:39,910
traditions of India glow throughout most

1444
01:06:45,580 --> 01:06:43,130
of my 20s frankly and or both

1445
01:06:47,530 --> 01:06:45,590
there and here and has also spent a lot

1446
01:06:49,240 --> 01:06:47,540
of time obviously around magic and the

1447
01:06:52,450 --> 01:06:49,250
European traditions and the list which

1448
01:06:57,100 --> 01:06:52,460
traditions I think they were one thing I

1449
01:06:59,830 --> 01:06:57,110
think that it was one thing that kind of

1450
01:07:01,390 --> 01:06:59,840
ate an India and indo-european religion

1451
01:07:04,180 --> 01:07:01,400
if you will that wasn't an organized

1452
01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:04,190
religion but was like a form and a

1453
01:07:10,390 --> 01:07:06,530
pattern of life that stretched from

1454
01:07:13,090 --> 01:07:10,400
India to Europe I've seen hints online

1455
01:07:15,610 --> 01:07:13,100
or I've seen people sang online that

1456
01:07:17,680 --> 01:07:15,620
it's believed that the Vatican that

1457
01:07:20,380 --> 01:07:17,690
there was what's called a Shiva Lingam

1458
01:07:22,690 --> 01:07:20,390
which is a statue that is a combined

1459
01:07:25,990 --> 01:07:22,700
male and females of male and female

1460
01:07:28,330 --> 01:07:26,000
genitals was the Vatican was built over

1461
01:07:31,330 --> 01:07:28,340
and in fact many of the of course many

1462
01:07:34,360 --> 01:07:31,340
of the of the Christian sites in Europe

1463
01:07:36,970 --> 01:07:34,370
including st. Paul's in London were

1464
01:07:39,100 --> 01:07:36,980
built over pagan temples but I think

1465
01:07:41,560 --> 01:07:39,110
that it was probably one big thing

1466
01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:41,570
stretching across that part of the world

1467
01:07:51,700 --> 01:07:45,830
are we do you remember the film

1468
01:07:55,600 --> 01:07:51,710
zeitgeist yes okay the opening five or

1469
01:08:00,330 --> 01:07:55,610
10 minutes of that film I watched over

1470
01:08:03,310 --> 01:08:00,340
and over and over again trying to absorb

1471
01:08:07,030 --> 01:08:03,320
the seriousness of what was being

1472
01:08:09,850 --> 01:08:07,040
presented there and and going back to

1473
01:08:12,310 --> 01:08:09,860
all of the you know the sunrise and and

1474
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:12,320
sunset and set and what this really

1475
01:08:20,530 --> 01:08:15,350
meant going through Christianity and

1476
01:08:23,800 --> 01:08:20,540
Jesus and and how many different deities

1477
01:08:26,830 --> 01:08:23,810
or worshipped symbols over the years all

1478
01:08:29,500 --> 01:08:26,840
were born of a Virgin Mother right for

1479
01:08:31,750 --> 01:08:29,510
example it's like everybody everybody

1480
01:08:35,530 --> 01:08:31,760
was born on Christmas Day and and what

1481
01:08:40,180 --> 01:08:35,540
December 25th was and and the changing

1482
01:08:43,180 --> 01:08:40,190
of the the sunset rising and going from

1483
01:08:45,160 --> 01:08:43,190
east to west all of that throughout and

1484
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:45,170
you go and you investigate that and it

1485
01:08:51,190 --> 01:08:49,010
seems to be based on truth well then

1486
01:08:54,579 --> 01:08:51,200
that kind of breaks down everything

1487
01:08:58,960 --> 01:08:54,589
which goes right to what Halloween is to

1488
01:09:01,750 --> 01:08:58,970
and is is is that something that we need

1489
01:09:05,260 --> 01:09:01,760
to take serious you know what I mean

1490
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:05,270
we're all of them is that a pun the word

1491
01:09:11,470 --> 01:09:08,810
serious for a reason yes played well

1492
01:09:13,900 --> 01:09:11,480
played but yeah you know what I mean and

1493
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:13,910
and going to the three kings and the

1494
01:09:18,910 --> 01:09:16,250
three wise men and the stars in the sky

1495
01:09:22,540 --> 01:09:18,920
and and what all of this was represented

1496
01:09:24,730 --> 01:09:22,550
it didn't happen at the Year Zero right

1497
01:09:28,150 --> 01:09:24,740
this was something that was was going on

1498
01:09:30,730 --> 01:09:28,160
through all cultures and religions

1499
01:09:33,400 --> 01:09:30,740
throughout the world predating

1500
01:09:35,740 --> 01:09:33,410
Christianity by you know in some cases

1501
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:35,750
thousands of years like you're saying

1502
01:09:42,430 --> 01:09:39,520
with with India going back 10,000 years

1503
01:09:44,349 --> 01:09:42,440
well I look at it like this all when you

1504
01:09:47,050 --> 01:09:44,359
really get down to it all religions all

1505
01:09:48,940 --> 01:09:47,060
stories all art are attempts to make

1506
01:09:50,680 --> 01:09:48,950
sense of the human experience and the

1507
01:09:52,870 --> 01:09:50,690
human experience is not that different

1508
01:09:55,480 --> 01:09:52,880
it is not you know from culture to

1509
01:09:58,480 --> 01:09:55,490
culture from person to person or from

1510
01:10:00,790 --> 01:09:58,490
millennia to millennia so human beings

1511
01:10:03,760 --> 01:10:00,800
really have kind of a limited number of

1512
01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:03,770
symbols available to them what are the

1513
01:10:07,510 --> 01:10:05,720
what are the symbols the realities that

1514
01:10:11,740 --> 01:10:07,520
were confronted with on a day to day

1515
01:10:16,320 --> 01:10:11,750
basis you know the Sun the Moon the male

1516
01:10:19,540 --> 01:10:16,330
the female the cycle of plants the

1517
01:10:22,090 --> 01:10:19,550
animals in our lives the life cycle of a

1518
01:10:25,990 --> 01:10:22,100
human being from baby to adolescent to

1519
01:10:28,810 --> 01:10:26,000
adult to elderly to to on the deathbed

1520
01:10:31,060 --> 01:10:28,820
you know the this these are the symbols

1521
01:10:33,610 --> 01:10:31,070
that we have available to us and these

1522
01:10:35,890 --> 01:10:33,620
are the forces with which we must

1523
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:35,900
contend and the forces that make up our

1524
01:10:40,480 --> 01:10:38,000
lives and these forces have been

1525
01:10:43,140 --> 01:10:40,490
symbolized by cultures all throughout

1526
01:10:47,770 --> 01:10:43,150
the world in different but similar ways

1527
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:47,780
either as occult symbols or as gods you

1528
01:10:52,570 --> 01:10:49,850
know gods of the Sun or gods of the Moon

1529
01:10:56,740 --> 01:10:52,580
or gods of time or gods of the harvest

1530
01:10:59,380 --> 01:10:56,750
you know the crops the the river this is

1531
01:11:03,160 --> 01:10:59,390
just the stuff of human life so when you

1532
01:11:08,070 --> 01:11:03,170
get down to the core fundamentals of

1533
01:11:11,010 --> 01:11:08,080
existence they're the same cross culture

1534
01:11:13,530 --> 01:11:11,020
and Krauss periods of time so it's not

1535
01:11:16,440 --> 01:11:13,540
any big conspiracy

1536
01:11:18,590 --> 01:11:16,450
there's so many similarities in religion

1537
01:11:21,390 --> 01:11:18,600
and so many repeating motifs and themes

1538
01:11:22,830 --> 01:11:21,400
the other the other part of it is that

1539
01:11:25,290 --> 01:11:22,840
you have to remember again prior to

1540
01:11:27,890 --> 01:11:25,300
Christianity these things were fluid

1541
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:27,900
there was not a sense of set dogmas

1542
01:11:33,450 --> 01:11:30,010
particularly when the Silk Road

1543
01:11:35,340 --> 01:11:33,460
still existed there was you know trade

1544
01:11:36,900 --> 01:11:35,350
along the Silk Road and different

1545
01:11:38,970 --> 01:11:36,910
cultures came into contact with each

1546
01:11:41,460 --> 01:11:38,980
other and they shared God's because they

1547
01:11:43,650 --> 01:11:41,470
didn't have this idea yet that there was

1548
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:43,660
one right way and anything that did not

1549
01:11:49,470 --> 01:11:45,910
follow that one right way was heresy

1550
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:49,480
that was a later development in history

1551
01:11:55,200 --> 01:11:52,750
and you know we can see that tendency

1552
01:11:58,130 --> 01:11:55,210
arising and in Christianity and Islam

1553
01:12:01,500 --> 01:11:58,140
and to some extent in Buddhism also of

1554
01:12:03,750 --> 01:12:01,510
you know people trying to codify a you

1555
01:12:07,320 --> 01:12:03,760
know one way that it works but prior to

1556
01:12:09,060 --> 01:12:07,330
that it was kind of like you know it's

1557
01:12:11,610 --> 01:12:09,070
just like if you imagine you're at a big

1558
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:11,620
party or like a Burning Man and you know

1559
01:12:15,450 --> 01:12:13,510
you're having your party with your gods

1560
01:12:17,310 --> 01:12:15,460
but somebody over next to you and their

1561
01:12:18,990 --> 01:12:17,320
camp is having their party and well that

1562
01:12:20,730 --> 01:12:19,000
looks like fun you want to go like hang

1563
01:12:22,710 --> 01:12:20,740
out with them and then you know they

1564
01:12:25,290 --> 01:12:22,720
maybe they like with the way you do it

1565
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:25,300
and it all kinds kind of you know mixes

1566
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:27,850
together and that's really what it was

1567
01:12:32,820 --> 01:12:30,130
like in the ancient world and along the

1568
01:12:35,550 --> 01:12:32,830
Silk Road so if you look at China and

1569
01:12:38,160 --> 01:12:35,560
India and Europe you'll see similarities

1570
01:12:40,830 --> 01:12:38,170
and even Egypt you'll see similarities

1571
01:12:42,570 --> 01:12:40,840
and blendings between all of them

1572
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:42,580
there's evidence even that there were

1573
01:12:46,830 --> 01:12:44,770
Greek there was you know Greek gods

1574
01:12:49,110 --> 01:12:46,840
ended up in Buddhism or vice-versa

1575
01:12:50,970 --> 01:12:49,120
Buddhism absolutely had an influence on

1576
01:12:53,400 --> 01:12:50,980
Christianity Christianity would not have

1577
01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:53,410
happened without the influence of

1578
01:12:57,360 --> 01:12:55,450
Buddhism which which began 500 years

1579
01:12:59,850 --> 01:12:57,370
before Christianity and so on and so

1580
01:13:02,430 --> 01:12:59,860
forth you know it's just like you know

1581
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:02,440
way the internet where everyone's kind

1582
01:13:08,550 --> 01:13:04,930
of you know cross pollinating that's

1583
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:08,560
just what humans do and with each of the

1584
01:13:15,420 --> 01:13:10,530
holidays and all of the religions

1585
01:13:18,990 --> 01:13:15,430
eventually it was all used in some form

1586
01:13:21,330 --> 01:13:19,000
or another to keep control to keep

1587
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:21,340
society from spinning out of control

1588
01:13:27,180 --> 01:13:24,570
to create different rules and laws

1589
01:13:29,370 --> 01:13:27,190
basically to to make sure that we didn't

1590
01:13:33,629 --> 01:13:29,380
spin out of control we continue to

1591
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:33,639
reproduce we continue to harvest and and

1592
01:13:41,580 --> 01:13:39,010
and feed and and and and and and and

1593
01:13:43,830 --> 01:13:41,590
move on and develop so there's that

1594
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:43,840
aspect of it and then certainly

1595
01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:46,449
Halloween had that those same things you

1596
01:13:54,270 --> 01:13:50,670
had mentioned this earlier a way to to

1597
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:54,280
chase away evil spirits and it was a way

1598
01:14:01,859 --> 01:13:58,239
to control society and today Halloween

1599
01:14:04,850 --> 01:14:01,869
has not want to talk about magic where

1600
01:14:09,149 --> 01:14:04,860
we have witches and cauldrons and and

1601
01:14:12,600 --> 01:14:09,159
spiders and spells and potions and and

1602
01:14:14,790 --> 01:14:12,610
and and and and things where that has

1603
01:14:17,899 --> 01:14:14,800
rolled into Halloween where that had

1604
01:14:20,939 --> 01:14:17,909
nothing to do with it before did it

1605
01:14:22,919 --> 01:14:20,949
right well you know these things were

1606
01:14:24,660 --> 01:14:22,929
under Christianity and during the Middle

1607
01:14:27,450 --> 01:14:24,670
Ages these things were absolutely used

1608
01:14:29,280 --> 01:14:27,460
as a system of control and there wasn't

1609
01:14:31,470 --> 01:14:29,290
any distinction between church and state

1610
01:14:33,959 --> 01:14:31,480
by the way I'm not totally convinced

1611
01:14:35,820 --> 01:14:33,969
that's a completely negative thing I

1612
01:14:37,530 --> 01:14:35,830
think that society does need structure

1613
01:14:39,570 --> 01:14:37,540
and does need a certain level of control

1614
01:14:42,660 --> 01:14:39,580
because otherwise we just have anarchy

1615
01:14:45,750 --> 01:14:42,670
and violence and and people need

1616
01:14:48,930 --> 01:14:45,760
structure as much as the you know my

1617
01:14:51,600 --> 01:14:48,940
inner you know anarchist or libertarian

1618
01:14:53,310 --> 01:14:51,610
or whatever as much as my you know that

1619
01:14:56,040 --> 01:14:53,320
part of me would love to believe that

1620
01:14:57,930 --> 01:14:56,050
people are you know will just inherently

1621
01:14:59,399 --> 01:14:57,940
do the right thing if they don't have

1622
01:15:01,530 --> 01:14:59,409
social control on them I don't think

1623
01:15:03,030 --> 01:15:01,540
that that's actually true I think that

1624
01:15:04,950 --> 01:15:03,040
people do need a certain level of

1625
01:15:07,620 --> 01:15:04,960
structure it makes them happy it makes

1626
01:15:11,910 --> 01:15:07,630
them it gives them a sense of structure

1627
01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,920
to their lives that said in terms of

1628
01:15:16,649 --> 01:15:13,679
you're talking about

1629
01:15:18,510 --> 01:15:16,659
you know the idea of witches and and

1630
01:15:22,169 --> 01:15:18,520
magic and things like that I think that

1631
01:15:25,910 --> 01:15:22,179
it's fascinating that that also has

1632
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:25,920
become part of this repressed world

1633
01:15:31,589 --> 01:15:29,050
because magic itself is also something

1634
01:15:34,020 --> 01:15:31,599
that people are quite often frightened

1635
01:15:35,200 --> 01:15:34,030
of they're frightened of it because it

1636
01:15:37,750 --> 01:15:35,210
doesn't have

1637
01:15:40,750 --> 01:15:37,760
fools you know religion has rules it has

1638
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:40,760
structure it has well-lit paths magic

1639
01:15:43,660 --> 01:15:41,600
doesn't have any of that

1640
01:15:47,979 --> 01:15:43,670
it has guidelines but you're basically

1641
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:47,989
on your own and that again you know I

1642
01:15:54,340 --> 01:15:50,719
believe is more real it's more true

1643
01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:54,350
because magic gets closer to the truth

1644
01:15:58,890 --> 01:15:56,300
of the human experience that it's just

1645
01:16:01,720 --> 01:15:58,900
us naked shivering before the void and

1646
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:01,730
and we need to make our own meaning and

1647
01:16:05,920 --> 01:16:03,530
structure out of that and ultimately all

1648
01:16:07,890 --> 01:16:05,930
these human creative things like

1649
01:16:10,600 --> 01:16:07,900
religion and social structure are

1650
01:16:14,100 --> 01:16:10,610
artificial forms that are just there to

1651
01:16:16,870 --> 01:16:14,110
keep social cohesion be that as it may

1652
01:16:19,180 --> 01:16:16,880
it's quite frightening to immerse

1653
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:19,190
yourself totally into the world of magic

1654
01:16:23,470 --> 01:16:21,410
and the unconscious sometimes in the

1655
01:16:26,500 --> 01:16:23,480
sense that it forces you to confront

1656
01:16:28,600 --> 01:16:26,510
yourself and see what's truly inside

1657
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:28,610
yourself this is what you know most

1658
01:16:33,310 --> 01:16:30,770
people frankly in the modern world spend

1659
01:16:36,100 --> 01:16:33,320
all of their time trying to avoid people

1660
01:16:37,510 --> 01:16:36,110
do everything they can to not have to

1661
01:16:39,310 --> 01:16:37,520
face themselves them you know that

1662
01:16:43,360 --> 01:16:39,320
what's the new eyePHONE what's on

1663
01:16:46,000 --> 01:16:43,370
Netflix let's go that's what drinks can

1664
01:16:48,220 --> 01:16:46,010
we drink what drugs can we do what you

1665
01:16:51,280 --> 01:16:48,230
know political strife can we get wrapped

1666
01:16:54,820 --> 01:16:51,290
up in almost everything that people do

1667
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:54,830
is this great you know drama this great

1668
01:17:01,060 --> 01:16:56,210
you know sound and fury signifying

1669
01:17:03,820 --> 01:17:01,070
nothing as Shakespeare put it just to in

1670
01:17:05,920 --> 01:17:03,830
a way serve a similar function to what I

1671
01:17:08,470 --> 01:17:05,930
was talking about of scaring away of the

1672
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:08,480
darkness just making these loud noises -

1673
01:17:13,959 --> 01:17:10,719
can you know - that scare away the

1674
01:17:15,790 --> 01:17:13,969
existential dread of existence but magic

1675
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:15,800
is different magic immerses you totally

1676
01:17:20,740 --> 01:17:18,410
in what's there and it's another one of

1677
01:17:23,950 --> 01:17:20,750
those forces that society often feels

1678
01:17:26,140 --> 01:17:23,960
they need to control much like sex

1679
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:26,150
Society feels they need to control and

1680
01:17:33,790 --> 01:17:30,290
put strictures and bounds on and magic

1681
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:33,800
is very much the same and so I don't

1682
01:17:36,910 --> 01:17:35,090
think it's any mistake that it's become

1683
01:17:38,860 --> 01:17:36,920
associated with this one day where it's

1684
01:17:40,750 --> 01:17:38,870
like okay on one day we will give you

1685
01:17:43,780 --> 01:17:40,760
one day and maybe it may be a little bit

1686
01:17:45,760 --> 01:17:43,790
of the hangover of the next day to allow

1687
01:17:47,890 --> 01:17:45,770
these things to be real and allow these

1688
01:17:50,350 --> 01:17:47,900
allow these things out

1689
01:17:53,170 --> 01:17:50,360
into conscious awareness to allow

1690
01:17:55,810 --> 01:17:53,180
perhaps in psycho al psychoanalytical

1691
01:17:58,120 --> 01:17:55,820
terms to allow a breach of the

1692
01:18:00,700 --> 01:17:58,130
unconscious into conscious awareness but

1693
01:18:02,770 --> 01:18:00,710
of course as we all know the unconscious

1694
01:18:04,930 --> 01:18:02,780
is where the truth is the unconscious is

1695
01:18:08,230 --> 01:18:04,940
where the reality of who you actually

1696
01:18:10,900 --> 01:18:08,240
are is and and that's why people try to

1697
01:18:12,910 --> 01:18:10,910
keep the door slammed on it who I know

1698
01:18:17,830 --> 01:18:12,920
totally totally and so who was

1699
01:18:21,670 --> 01:18:17,840
responsible for the the dumbing down of

1700
01:18:23,290 --> 01:18:21,680
the holiday and incorporating like I

1701
01:18:26,680 --> 01:18:23,300
said witches and broomsticks and

1702
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:26,690
spiderwebs and bats and and cauldrons

1703
01:18:34,780 --> 01:18:30,320
with with crazy you know mist coming out

1704
01:18:37,420 --> 01:18:34,790
of it and who is responsible for either

1705
01:18:40,780 --> 01:18:37,430
ruining the holiday or just taking it

1706
01:18:42,730 --> 01:18:40,790
completely out of context well I don't

1707
01:18:44,590 --> 01:18:42,740
necessarily know if it's ruined or taken

1708
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:44,600
out of context it's just expressed in a

1709
01:18:49,840 --> 01:18:46,250
different form for the world that we

1710
01:18:51,340 --> 01:18:49,850
live in you know it's it's it's it's you

1711
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:51,350
know it matches the world that we live

1712
01:18:57,730 --> 01:18:54,800
in in a way and I think that it's the

1713
01:19:00,250 --> 01:18:57,740
same it's just the spirit of our time in

1714
01:19:02,950 --> 01:19:00,260
a way it's like every other holiday at

1715
01:19:05,020 --> 01:19:02,960
least in America has become is our

1716
01:19:10,090 --> 01:19:05,030
holidays are no longer Christian in a

1717
01:19:12,160 --> 01:19:10,100
way because Christianity has ceased to

1718
01:19:14,530 --> 01:19:12,170
become a very prevalent force in America

1719
01:19:16,540 --> 01:19:14,540
and Christianity in a way has been

1720
01:19:20,170 --> 01:19:16,550
replaced with the consumer cults where

1721
01:19:24,450 --> 01:19:20,180
people are now they idolize consumerism

1722
01:19:28,240 --> 01:19:24,460
and you know movies and TV and

1723
01:19:32,200 --> 01:19:28,250
technology and you know the all-powerful

1724
01:19:35,800 --> 01:19:32,210
market and so all of these holidays in a

1725
01:19:37,870 --> 01:19:35,810
way are no longer truly pagan and

1726
01:19:39,580 --> 01:19:37,880
they're certainly not Christian anymore

1727
01:19:42,430 --> 01:19:39,590
because what people are really

1728
01:19:44,620 --> 01:19:42,440
worshipping in a way is money or just

1729
01:19:48,460 --> 01:19:44,630
simply commercial activity in the sense

1730
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:48,470
that Christmas is an excuse to buy lots

1731
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:50,090
of stuff for the people in your life and

1732
01:19:53,290 --> 01:19:51,650
for most companies is you know the

1733
01:19:55,150 --> 01:19:53,300
holiday season is the most important

1734
01:19:57,190 --> 01:19:55,160
season of the year for them

1735
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:57,200
Valentine's Day of course also a very

1736
01:20:01,560 --> 01:19:59,920
important consumer holiday because

1737
01:20:03,720 --> 01:20:01,570
you know people buy things for their

1738
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:03,730
sweethearts they get See's Candies they

1739
01:20:09,090 --> 01:20:06,310
get flowers you know and these things in

1740
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:09,100
a way have now been refashioned again

1741
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:12,730
co-opted when christianity co-opted them

1742
01:20:16,850 --> 01:20:14,170
from paganism but now they've been

1743
01:20:21,120 --> 01:20:16,860
co-opted from christianity in a sense by

1744
01:20:23,810 --> 01:20:21,130
capitalism and turned into a way to keep

1745
01:20:26,070 --> 01:20:23,820
the mark you know keep the flows of of

1746
01:20:27,840 --> 01:20:26,080
commerce going they're kind of like

1747
01:20:30,959 --> 01:20:27,850
they've kind of become the stations in

1748
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:30,969
the cycle of the market the rather than

1749
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:33,610
the natural growth cycle and they're

1750
01:20:37,439 --> 01:20:35,410
very important to the US economy the

1751
01:20:39,150 --> 01:20:37,449
holiday season is critical holiday

1752
01:20:41,820 --> 01:20:39,160
earnings are critical for the stock

1753
01:20:44,970 --> 01:20:41,830
market and in Halloween and Valentine's

1754
01:20:47,610 --> 01:20:44,980
Day and to you know to some lesser

1755
01:20:50,250 --> 01:20:47,620
extent mother's and Father's Day and and

1756
01:20:53,250 --> 01:20:50,260
other holidays are very important

1757
01:20:55,680 --> 01:20:53,260
markers in the in the consumer cycle so

1758
01:20:58,979 --> 01:20:55,690
they've these holidays have again been

1759
01:21:01,169 --> 01:20:58,989
repurposed to perhaps you know our true

1760
01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:01,179
God now Mammon which I think both

1761
01:21:05,010 --> 01:21:03,130
Christians and pagans alike would be

1762
01:21:07,169 --> 01:21:05,020
upset about if they thought about it for

1763
01:21:12,300 --> 01:21:07,179
more than five seconds yes certainly and

1764
01:21:14,790 --> 01:21:12,310
with with the criticism of the Catholic

1765
01:21:18,390 --> 01:21:14,800
Church today and Christianity and the

1766
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:18,400
attendance of churches as as and and you

1767
01:21:25,010 --> 01:21:21,610
know Saturday's has dropped do you see a

1768
01:21:29,520 --> 01:21:25,020
future for paganism do you see a future

1769
01:21:32,610 --> 01:21:29,530
where you know we could have I mean

1770
01:21:35,430 --> 01:21:32,620
could it replace can it replace modern

1771
01:21:37,080 --> 01:21:35,440
religions well that's a big quiet that's

1772
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:37,090
a fascinating question that's a that's a

1773
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:40,449
big question too I think that well I'll

1774
01:21:44,330 --> 01:21:42,370
just go off demographic numbers because

1775
01:21:46,650 --> 01:21:44,340
I this is something that I look at a lot

1776
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:46,660
every single religious did not a

1777
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:48,820
Christian denomination in America is

1778
01:21:53,580 --> 01:21:51,850
shrinking to the point where many of

1779
01:21:55,650 --> 01:21:53,590
these denominations are on the verge of

1780
01:21:57,840 --> 01:21:55,660
going completely extinct Presbyterianism

1781
01:21:59,090 --> 01:21:57,850
as an example Presbyterianism may not

1782
01:22:01,860 --> 01:21:59,100
exist in ten years

1783
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:01,870
however Roman Catholicism is is still

1784
01:22:07,229 --> 01:22:05,110
growing very rapidly for various

1785
01:22:09,180 --> 01:22:07,239
demographic reasons and also because

1786
01:22:13,589 --> 01:22:09,190
they've expanded into Latin America and

1787
01:22:15,629 --> 01:22:13,599
Africa in America however and this is

1788
01:22:18,930 --> 01:22:15,639
paganism is the fastest-growing

1789
01:22:20,459 --> 01:22:18,940
religious demographic and particularly

1790
01:22:22,979 --> 01:22:20,469
among younger people I don't think

1791
01:22:24,089 --> 01:22:22,989
that's a big shock because you know

1792
01:22:25,950 --> 01:22:24,099
particularly younger people have all

1793
01:22:28,740 --> 01:22:25,960
been raised on Harry Potter and charmed

1794
01:22:30,810 --> 01:22:28,750
and Sabrina right right but I wouldn't

1795
01:22:32,760 --> 01:22:30,820
necessarily say that it would be a

1796
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:32,770
replacement and I don't even know if

1797
01:22:36,899 --> 01:22:34,690
that would be a good thing but it's

1798
01:22:39,629 --> 01:22:36,909
certainly in our current world it's all

1799
01:22:43,319 --> 01:22:39,639
being allowed to regrow where it was

1800
01:22:48,000 --> 01:22:43,329
once cut off almost at the roots it's

1801
01:22:49,830 --> 01:22:48,010
now regrowing and in and I think that it

1802
01:22:51,959 --> 01:22:49,840
really offers young people a sense of

1803
01:22:55,919 --> 01:22:51,969
empowerment which is not something that

1804
01:22:58,229 --> 01:22:55,929
they get from certainly not the media

1805
01:23:01,410 --> 01:22:58,239
probably not from parents probably not

1806
01:23:03,959 --> 01:23:01,420
from the school system our young people

1807
01:23:09,510 --> 01:23:03,969
feel very powerless and adrift and

1808
01:23:12,030 --> 01:23:09,520
hopeless and paganism gives them a sense

1809
01:23:15,629 --> 01:23:12,040
of personal empowerment in a way that

1810
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:15,639
very few things can and for that reason

1811
01:23:19,589 --> 01:23:17,650
I think it's gonna keep growing and and

1812
01:23:23,089 --> 01:23:19,599
keep getting bigger and bigger and I

1813
01:23:24,810 --> 01:23:23,099
hope becoming more mature and more

1814
01:23:27,149 --> 01:23:24,820
theologically mature and that's

1815
01:23:31,379 --> 01:23:27,159
something that I've hoped to play a role

1816
01:23:33,930 --> 01:23:31,389
doing in my life and because it is quite

1817
01:23:35,700 --> 01:23:33,940
frankly not a particularly theologically

1818
01:23:38,689 --> 01:23:35,710
mature religion certainly not when you

1819
01:23:41,609 --> 01:23:38,699
compare it to something like you know

1820
01:23:42,930 --> 01:23:41,619
you know even Catholicism or even even

1821
01:23:45,780 --> 01:23:42,940
Buddhism in a sense it doesn't have a

1822
01:23:48,270 --> 01:23:45,790
fully worked-out metaphysics so that's

1823
01:23:52,080 --> 01:23:48,280
something that I've been doing my part

1824
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:52,090
to contribute to but broadly speaking I

1825
01:23:57,270 --> 01:23:55,570
think that I'm not it and I I don't mean

1826
01:24:00,000 --> 01:23:57,280
to bash Christianity by the layer or

1827
01:24:02,729 --> 01:24:00,010
give that they can give a sense that I'm

1828
01:24:05,010 --> 01:24:02,739
anti Christianity I'm very Pro true

1829
01:24:06,930 --> 01:24:05,020
Christianity I certainly don't like the

1830
01:24:10,530 --> 01:24:06,940
abuses that we've seen in the Catholic

1831
01:24:12,180 --> 01:24:10,540
Church or the excesses of Evangelic the

1832
01:24:14,310 --> 01:24:12,190
you know the the evangelical movement

1833
01:24:17,220 --> 01:24:14,320
and things like that I'm Pro true

1834
01:24:20,040 --> 01:24:17,230
Christianity I'm Pro spirituality and I

1835
01:24:22,140 --> 01:24:20,050
think that we need whatever it is we do

1836
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:22,150
need spirituality because we live in a

1837
01:24:27,100 --> 01:24:25,570
culture that only offers us stuff to buy

1838
01:24:29,620 --> 01:24:27,110
and that's not enough

1839
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:29,630
we have we're gonna take a break here in

1840
01:24:35,260 --> 01:24:32,320
two minutes help me understand as

1841
01:24:38,740 --> 01:24:35,270
quickly as you can when it comes to

1842
01:24:41,050 --> 01:24:38,750
paganism is there you know here you know

1843
01:24:44,650 --> 01:24:41,060
with a Catholicism and Christianity

1844
01:24:47,290 --> 01:24:44,660
where you have you know God right God

1845
01:24:50,170 --> 01:24:47,300
whatever that may be is there the same

1846
01:24:55,090 --> 01:24:50,180
thing in paganism is there is there a

1847
01:24:57,400 --> 01:24:55,100
God well it depends on where you angle

1848
01:24:59,260 --> 01:24:57,410
you look from I would say in the true

1849
01:24:59,800 --> 01:24:59,270
sense and and when you really get down

1850
01:25:02,800 --> 01:24:59,810
to it

1851
01:25:05,230 --> 01:25:02,810
paganism is very much similar to animism

1852
01:25:07,060 --> 01:25:05,240
or at the low reaches or the high

1853
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:07,070
registers it's very similar to the

1854
01:25:11,500 --> 01:25:08,930
non-dual enlightenment traditions or a

1855
01:25:13,780 --> 01:25:11,510
Beethoven danta where really the core of

1856
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:13,790
paganism is seeing everything as divine

1857
01:25:19,450 --> 01:25:16,010
you know God is kind of manifest as

1858
01:25:21,730 --> 01:25:19,460
everything including all of nature and

1859
01:25:24,580 --> 01:25:21,740
everything is holy nothing is separate

1860
01:25:26,710 --> 01:25:24,590
from that primal unity and that it's

1861
01:25:31,900 --> 01:25:26,720
very heretic in that sense is there

1862
01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:31,910
these are those they're creator it some

1863
01:25:36,460 --> 01:25:35,000
some pagan traditions you know we'll

1864
01:25:39,580 --> 01:25:36,470
talk about the goddess or the Horned God

1865
01:25:44,500 --> 01:25:39,590
or they'll simply worship nature as the

1866
01:25:46,480 --> 01:25:44,510
Creator but it depicted but it's not it

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tends not to be the judeo-christian God

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and and is there a God that you can piss

1869
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off and be banished somewhere well I

1870
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think that most pagan groups tend to be

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very you know have a broad way of

1872
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looking at this where they tend to

1873
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celebrate lots and lots of gods I mean

1874
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paganism is paulius polytheistic by its

1875
01:26:12,520 --> 01:26:09,260
very nature so you'll often see modern

1876
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pagans worshipping let's say Egyptian

1877
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gods and Hindu gods and Norse gods and

1878
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perhaps also Jesus and and putting all

1879
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this together in the sense that all

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these gods can coexist and that perhaps

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you go to different gods because they

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have different specialties for

1883
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addressing different things in your life

1884
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that's how I tend to see a practiced on

1885
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the ground where people you know often

1886
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you know people have a very very liberal

1887
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take well they're interested in

1888
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everything and they want

1889
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to incorporate anything as long as it

1890
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helps them it's an unbelievably

1891
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fascinating subject when we talk about

1892
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paganism I have tried to get to the

1893
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bottom line and like you said there

1894
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isn't a continuous not like India right

1895
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there but the the traditions are broken

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in that there isn't one defining one

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defining book or text well we'll pick up

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what we're leaving off right here this

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has fade to black it's Halloween this is

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Jason we will be right casting station

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welcome back fade to black I'm here

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Jimmy Church night one of our Halloween

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week tonight it's Jason Liu and tomorrow

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night right here Maureen wood is gonna

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be here sharing her favorite ghost

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stories with us and then Wednesday night

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is sha the moon which now Jason I wanted

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to ask you a question when you look back

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at your childhood and you think about

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those warm and fuzzy celebrations and

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holidays for me I'm just gonna say it

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it's Halloween those are my fondest

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memories how about you when you look

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01:32:44,310 --> 01:32:42,310
back what do you think about so always

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01:32:45,810 --> 01:32:44,320
Halloween I know I love crisp I love

2022
01:32:47,130 --> 01:32:45,820
Christmas to you but ya know Halloween

2023
01:32:50,250 --> 01:32:47,140
and I hope would always you know dress

2024
01:32:52,560 --> 01:32:50,260
up as a vampire or something or yeah was

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01:32:54,360 --> 01:32:52,570
I just like you said at the beginning of

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01:32:57,750 --> 01:32:54,370
our show it's like it's that sense of

2027
01:33:00,840 --> 01:32:57,760
other worldliness the smell how it feels

2028
01:33:03,390 --> 01:33:00,850
in in autumn the the cold breeze things

2029
01:33:06,180 --> 01:33:03,400
like that it just adds up to this this

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01:33:10,740 --> 01:33:06,190
mystical time is it because you got all

2031
01:33:14,220 --> 01:33:10,750
jacked up on sugar for a month that must

2032
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be a basically yeah yeah he's looking

2033
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:15,850
back it's right so it's probably like

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01:33:18,930 --> 01:33:17,530
the worst thing to do for growing

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children right it's just like completely

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like Jack them up on high fructose corn

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syrup you know and it's not just the one

2038
01:33:27,690 --> 01:33:25,570
day too because if you stock up on the

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on all the candy that you get you could

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be eating that for weeks for weeks and

2041
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even you know what's funny at the end of

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01:33:38,880 --> 01:33:35,710
you know three weeks four weeks and here

2043
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:38,890
at the bottom of your Halloween bag that

2044
01:33:43,110 --> 01:33:40,930
those candy the leftover stuff was

2045
01:33:46,410 --> 01:33:43,120
probably the worst to eat too as well

2046
01:33:48,300 --> 01:33:46,420
but he did did at all it was always it

2047
01:33:50,670 --> 01:33:48,310
was always the for me it was always the

2048
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plain tootsie rolls were what we're left

2049
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at the bottom they're the least exciting

2050
01:34:01,590 --> 01:33:55,570
at least exciting candy yeah or more

2051
01:34:05,760 --> 01:34:01,600
like dum-dums right oh man I just I

2052
01:34:08,280 --> 01:34:05,770
loved I never had a bad Halloween memory

2053
01:34:10,110 --> 01:34:08,290
I really don't you know there were some

2054
01:34:14,400 --> 01:34:10,120
questionable Christmases for me

2055
01:34:15,220 --> 01:34:14,410
definitely in there yeah somebody just

2056
01:34:19,450 --> 01:34:15,230
said snicker

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in my veins absolutely absolutely you

2058
01:34:27,040 --> 01:34:23,870
know and and I always I'm just gonna

2059
01:34:29,110 --> 01:34:27,050
share this with everybody one of my

2060
01:34:33,010 --> 01:34:29,120
siblings I'm not gonna say which one

2061
01:34:37,150 --> 01:34:33,020
loved milky way's I couldn't stand milky

2062
01:34:40,720 --> 01:34:37,160
way's so uh and and I was able to trade

2063
01:34:42,670 --> 01:34:40,730
milky ways for Snickers oh man and I

2064
01:34:46,260 --> 01:34:42,680
just thought you you're just you're not

2065
01:34:48,430 --> 01:34:46,270
that smart but I'll continue trading

2066
01:34:50,890 --> 01:34:48,440
ways for Snickers

2067
01:34:54,520 --> 01:34:50,900
man I would just get jacked up on sugar

2068
01:34:57,130 --> 01:34:54,530
and and I would let my kids do the same

2069
01:34:59,920 --> 01:34:57,140
thing today I just won't change this

2070
01:35:03,490 --> 01:34:59,930
holiday I to me it's just one of the

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01:35:06,880 --> 01:35:03,500
best it's a tradition yeah yeah it is it

2072
01:35:10,600 --> 01:35:06,890
is now I wanted to ask you let's go back

2073
01:35:11,530 --> 01:35:10,610
to warlocks for a second was John Dee no

2074
01:35:13,630 --> 01:35:11,540
I'm being serious

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first over from Snickers to Orleans yes

2076
01:35:17,320 --> 01:35:15,800
and it all makes sense will you said

2077
01:35:20,740 --> 01:35:17,330
vampire circle

2078
01:35:25,900 --> 01:35:20,750
you said vampire was was John Dee a

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01:35:29,530 --> 01:35:25,910
warlock in in the classical sense well

2080
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he not really because if you if we

2081
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:31,850
really want to get you know nitpicky

2082
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about it the witchcraft and the whole

2083
01:35:41,770 --> 01:35:39,590
witchcraft is really a much more it's

2084
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:41,780
closer to European paganism like we were

2085
01:35:46,990 --> 01:35:43,610
talking about it's much more of a folk

2086
01:35:49,630 --> 01:35:47,000
tradition and like something that's done

2087
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around the hearth and is passed down in

2088
01:36:02,020 --> 01:35:58,270
estación Stethem at achill and spiritual

2089
01:36:04,270 --> 01:36:02,030
thinker and in the tradition of Western

2090
01:36:06,880 --> 01:36:04,280
ceremonial magic which certainly

2091
01:36:09,250 --> 01:36:06,890
borrowed from witchcraft for instance in

2092
01:36:12,030 --> 01:36:09,260
the case of Cornelius Agrippa who

2093
01:36:14,140 --> 01:36:12,040
codified some of the rituals and

2094
01:36:15,610 --> 01:36:14,150
doctrines of witchcraft in his book

2095
01:36:18,310 --> 01:36:15,620
three three books of occult philosophy

2096
01:36:22,000 --> 01:36:18,320
and incorporated them into the corpus of

2097
01:36:24,910 --> 01:36:22,010
ceremonial magic but what John Dee was

2098
01:36:26,529 --> 01:36:24,920
doing was much closer to the science of

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01:36:29,770 --> 01:36:26,539
his day than

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01:36:32,020 --> 01:36:29,780
perhaps you know folk witchcraft and in

2101
01:36:34,689 --> 01:36:32,030
in that sense he wasn't exactly a

2102
01:36:36,970 --> 01:36:34,699
warlock if a warlock is a male witch

2103
01:36:42,129 --> 01:36:36,980
although Edward Kelly his associate was

2104
01:36:46,839 --> 01:36:42,139
much closer to that that image the the

2105
01:36:47,620 --> 01:36:46,849
the magic today and where we can talk

2106
01:36:51,370 --> 01:36:47,630
about

2107
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:51,380
Wiccans or witches are they synonymous

2108
01:36:56,950 --> 01:36:55,010
or what is the difference well again

2109
01:36:59,100 --> 01:36:56,960
it's one of these things that when we're

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01:37:02,979 --> 01:36:59,110
talking about people today it doesn't

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01:37:04,959 --> 01:37:02,989
truly matter because well that's the

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wrong way to put it ultimately at the

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end of the day all of this stuff has

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01:37:10,720 --> 01:37:07,960
been constructed from people's

2115
01:37:12,189 --> 01:37:10,730
imaginations or reconstructed from books

2116
01:37:13,390 --> 01:37:12,199
when we're talking about neo-paganism

2117
01:37:15,339 --> 01:37:13,400
and that's the statement it's gonna

2118
01:37:17,649 --> 01:37:15,349
upset a lot of people but it's also true

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01:37:20,009 --> 01:37:17,659
that the modern neo-pagan movement and

2120
01:37:23,979 --> 01:37:20,019
witchcraft movement are largely

2121
01:37:25,839 --> 01:37:23,989
reconstructed and not really based in

2122
01:37:28,240 --> 01:37:25,849
many cases that the you know there's

2123
01:37:31,180 --> 01:37:28,250
things taken from fantasy novels there's

2124
01:37:33,339 --> 01:37:31,190
things that people have taken from TV

2125
01:37:37,560 --> 01:37:33,349
shows and movies and things like that or

2126
01:37:43,779 --> 01:37:37,570
just from their own intuition and so

2127
01:37:45,370 --> 01:37:43,789
there's not yeah mmm yeah I mean it's

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01:37:48,490 --> 01:37:45,380
it's a fuzzy territory

2129
01:37:50,830 --> 01:37:48,500
it's manat to get too specific about

2130
01:37:52,660 --> 01:37:50,840
these things because the difference is

2131
01:37:55,149 --> 01:37:52,670
at the end of the day are pretty small

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if you really zoom out far enough it's

2133
01:38:00,970 --> 01:37:57,500
it's like that people in the magic world

2134
01:38:04,209 --> 01:38:00,980
love to label and categorize themselves

2135
01:38:06,549 --> 01:38:04,219
and say well oh I'm a I'm a haven or I

2136
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:06,559
am a gardener II and Wiccan or I'm a

2137
01:38:11,799 --> 01:38:09,650
traditional witch or I'm at on track or

2138
01:38:14,350 --> 01:38:11,809
whatever but you know for the majority

2139
01:38:16,899 --> 01:38:14,360
of society it all looks the same to them

2140
01:38:18,879 --> 01:38:16,909
so you just zoom out and look from the

2141
01:38:21,129 --> 01:38:18,889
outside and there's not really a whole

2142
01:38:23,169 --> 01:38:21,139
lot of difference between these belief

2143
01:38:25,899 --> 01:38:23,179
structures and when you kind of put them

2144
01:38:28,569 --> 01:38:25,909
all together demographically that's when

2145
01:38:31,540 --> 01:38:28,579
you get that figure that paganism as a

2146
01:38:34,450 --> 01:38:31,550
whole is you know the fastest growing

2147
01:38:36,310 --> 01:38:34,460
religious group in America but it's only

2148
01:38:39,310 --> 01:38:36,320
when you see all these things as kind of

2149
01:38:40,240 --> 01:38:39,320
one you know different flavors of one

2150
01:38:41,980 --> 01:38:40,250
phenomenon

2151
01:38:44,530 --> 01:38:41,990
like the 31 flavors at baskin-robbins

2152
01:38:46,750 --> 01:38:44,540
which again will upset people but it

2153
01:38:50,440 --> 01:38:46,760
kind of is the truth if you zoom out far

2154
01:38:53,860 --> 01:38:50,450
enough well why is it that help me

2155
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:53,870
understand this because you do I don't

2156
01:39:00,910 --> 01:38:56,960
understand when and I hear it all the

2157
01:39:02,980 --> 01:39:00,920
time where I'll hear you know what I'm a

2158
01:39:05,920 --> 01:39:02,990
Wiccan don't lump me and I'm not a witch

2159
01:39:09,130 --> 01:39:05,930
right don't lump me in with that and I

2160
01:39:12,700 --> 01:39:09,140
don't understand like you said they're

2161
01:39:15,160 --> 01:39:12,710
very quick to to classify themselves in

2162
01:39:20,290 --> 01:39:15,170
in that circle of magic that out here on

2163
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:20,300
the outside it we don't understand well

2164
01:39:24,490 --> 01:39:22,730
look everyone wants to be special and

2165
01:39:26,410 --> 01:39:24,500
everyone wants to you know have

2166
01:39:28,270 --> 01:39:26,420
attention for their flavor being

2167
01:39:30,940 --> 01:39:28,280
slightly different and that's not just

2168
01:39:32,410 --> 01:39:30,950
magic I mean there's the the phrase that

2169
01:39:35,110 --> 01:39:32,420
you may know the tyranny of small

2170
01:39:37,540 --> 01:39:35,120
differences that is basically means that

2171
01:39:40,390 --> 01:39:37,550
in any group where people are pretty

2172
01:39:43,210 --> 01:39:40,400
much all the same what happens is people

2173
01:39:45,010 --> 01:39:43,220
obsess over minor differences and turn

2174
01:39:45,970 --> 01:39:45,020
them into a way bigger deal than they

2175
01:39:48,850 --> 01:39:45,980
actually are

2176
01:39:52,600 --> 01:39:48,860
because one of the things both the

2177
01:39:55,870 --> 01:39:52,610
strengths and weaknesses of paganism or

2178
01:39:58,210 --> 01:39:55,880
or magic or or neo-paganism in general

2179
01:40:01,290 --> 01:39:58,220
is that it's a very individualistic

2180
01:40:03,700 --> 01:40:01,300
thing it's not as much congregational

2181
01:40:08,500 --> 01:40:03,710
outside of perhaps Wicca or things like

2182
01:40:10,810 --> 01:40:08,510
this whereas in Christianity or other

2183
01:40:12,850 --> 01:40:10,820
mass religions like that there's one

2184
01:40:15,700 --> 01:40:12,860
truth and it you go to church and

2185
01:40:17,470 --> 01:40:15,710
everyone's on the same page whereas in

2186
01:40:19,660 --> 01:40:17,480
the neo-pagan groups it's very much

2187
01:40:23,440 --> 01:40:19,670
about the individual about individual

2188
01:40:25,390 --> 01:40:23,450
empowerment about people becoming you

2189
01:40:27,940 --> 01:40:25,400
know what living the life they want to

2190
01:40:30,180 --> 01:40:27,950
live becoming special in some way and so

2191
01:40:32,770 --> 01:40:30,190
what ends up happening is that's very

2192
01:40:34,750 --> 01:40:32,780
strong that's a real strength because

2193
01:40:36,430 --> 01:40:34,760
people make their own way and it's it's

2194
01:40:38,290 --> 01:40:36,440
a spirituality that they create for

2195
01:40:41,800 --> 01:40:38,300
themselves and carve out for themselves

2196
01:40:45,910 --> 01:40:41,810
and almost create as an artistic work

2197
01:40:47,290 --> 01:40:45,920
but it becomes a weakness because for

2198
01:40:49,930 --> 01:40:47,300
the reason we're discussing where

2199
01:40:52,840 --> 01:40:49,940
there's no uniformity of belief between

2200
01:40:53,830 --> 01:40:52,850
people and so people very much will end

2201
01:40:57,190 --> 01:40:53,840
up in this too

2202
01:40:58,750 --> 01:40:57,200
any of small differences and saying well

2203
01:41:01,390 --> 01:40:58,760
you know oh well you're not doing it

2204
01:41:04,060 --> 01:41:01,400
you're you're a Wiccan and I'm a fella

2205
01:41:07,300 --> 01:41:04,070
might so I'm we're obviously totally on

2206
01:41:09,550 --> 01:41:07,310
different pages and you know it becomes

2207
01:41:11,350 --> 01:41:09,560
it's like it's like trying to have an

2208
01:41:13,950 --> 01:41:11,360
anarchist meeting you know like that old

2209
01:41:16,210 --> 01:41:13,960
joke you know it's like herding cats and

2210
01:41:17,950 --> 01:41:16,220
so that's what that becomes a weakness

2211
01:41:19,840 --> 01:41:17,960
ultimately of neo-paganism where

2212
01:41:23,200 --> 01:41:19,850
everyone is so individualistic that they

2213
01:41:26,230 --> 01:41:23,210
find it hard to all get on the same page

2214
01:41:27,370 --> 01:41:26,240
and so I don't know I mean for people on

2215
01:41:29,650 --> 01:41:27,380
the outside that must seem very

2216
01:41:32,530 --> 01:41:29,660
confusing it's also confusing on the

2217
01:41:36,130 --> 01:41:32,540
inside and but that's kind of a deal

2218
01:41:39,580 --> 01:41:36,140
with with paganism and then we have one

2219
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:39,590
of the scariest words out there it that

2220
01:41:48,460 --> 01:41:44,290
has been very generalized is a cult and

2221
01:41:52,480 --> 01:41:48,470
when we hear most of society when they

2222
01:41:53,110 --> 01:41:52,490
hear a cult they immediately go to the

2223
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:53,120
dark side

2224
01:41:56,800 --> 01:41:55,070
and then you have the defenders of the

2225
01:42:00,130 --> 01:41:56,810
word which will say no it just means

2226
01:42:05,710 --> 01:42:00,140
hidden well you know what it's it's hard

2227
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:05,720
to change the mind or mindsets when it

2228
01:42:11,440 --> 01:42:08,960
comes to a word like the occult let's

2229
01:42:16,170 --> 01:42:11,450
let's clearly define it now because the

2230
01:42:20,230 --> 01:42:16,180
occult has been now associated with with

2231
01:42:24,730 --> 01:42:20,240
Halloween or or darkness when certainly

2232
01:42:28,150 --> 01:42:24,740
that is not the case or is it right well

2233
01:42:30,460 --> 01:42:28,160
I it I the occult is too broad of a term

2234
01:42:32,710 --> 01:42:30,470
I you know in my work I used the the

2235
01:42:35,380 --> 01:42:32,720
phrase Western esoteric tradition which

2236
01:42:37,270 --> 01:42:35,390
is really the hidden spiritual tradition

2237
01:42:40,090 --> 01:42:37,280
of the West that is the parent tradition

2238
01:42:41,680 --> 01:42:40,100
of science and it has a run throughout

2239
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:41,690
you know and could also be called

2240
01:42:46,360 --> 01:42:44,690
Hermeticism and we need to be specific

2241
01:42:49,780 --> 01:42:46,370
about terms like that but in general

2242
01:42:53,440 --> 01:42:49,790
occult means hidden and it means you

2243
01:42:57,580 --> 01:42:53,450
know a form of spirituality that is not

2244
01:42:59,140 --> 01:42:57,590
generally practiced by the masses so but

2245
01:43:02,260 --> 01:42:59,150
there's a real issue there which is

2246
01:43:04,750 --> 01:43:02,270
we've had decades of fear propaganda

2247
01:43:06,640 --> 01:43:04,760
from Hollywood and there's a big round

2248
01:43:08,050 --> 01:43:06,650
of it that's just happened again you

2249
01:43:11,020 --> 01:43:08,060
know of course in the 70s there

2250
01:43:14,530 --> 01:43:11,030
movies like The Exorcist and Rosemary's

2251
01:43:17,650 --> 01:43:14,540
Baby that have zero to do with anything

2252
01:43:19,690 --> 01:43:17,660
in neo-paganism or as the occult and

2253
01:43:21,660 --> 01:43:19,700
they're just shock movies largely

2254
01:43:24,600 --> 01:43:21,670
designed to scare people away from

2255
01:43:27,870 --> 01:43:24,610
straying too far perhaps from the church

2256
01:43:30,130 --> 01:43:27,880
but and and those movies really

2257
01:43:32,440 --> 01:43:30,140
conditioned a whole generation and we're

2258
01:43:34,960 --> 01:43:32,450
seeing another wave of it right now like

2259
01:43:36,820 --> 01:43:34,970
with this movie hereditary that just

2260
01:43:38,620 --> 01:43:36,830
came out which I thought was well done

2261
01:43:40,510 --> 01:43:38,630
but is you know it just total it's like

2262
01:43:42,340 --> 01:43:40,520
a scared it's like a shock movie it's

2263
01:43:45,280 --> 01:43:42,350
like a scared one of these scared

2264
01:43:46,780 --> 01:43:45,290
straight movies they show kids to tell

2265
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:46,790
them not to do drugs I mean like that's

2266
01:43:52,450 --> 01:43:49,450
kind of the deal with these movies and

2267
01:43:55,900 --> 01:43:52,460
alternative spirituality or movies like

2268
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:55,910
I don't know paranormal activity or you

2269
01:43:59,500 --> 01:43:57,890
know recent movies like a dark song and

2270
01:44:01,810 --> 01:43:59,510
that there's been a bunch a big crop of

2271
01:44:03,130 --> 01:44:01,820
them recently and I don't think it's a

2272
01:44:05,920 --> 01:44:03,140
mistake I don't think it's random

2273
01:44:08,350 --> 01:44:05,930
because people are you know the young

2274
01:44:10,420 --> 01:44:08,360
people in particular are fascinated with

2275
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:10,430
magic and it's like I said becoming the

2276
01:44:15,520 --> 01:44:12,650
fastest growing religious movement in

2277
01:44:18,010 --> 01:44:15,530
the country and that's quite threatening

2278
01:44:20,350 --> 01:44:18,020
to the religious authorities now the

2279
01:44:23,830 --> 01:44:20,360
converse of that is that you know for

2280
01:44:25,650 --> 01:44:23,840
instance practitioners of alternative

2281
01:44:28,510 --> 01:44:25,660
spirituality are always accused of

2282
01:44:30,070 --> 01:44:28,520
various fanciful things from Hollywood

2283
01:44:33,280 --> 01:44:30,080
but if you look at just the headlines

2284
01:44:34,750 --> 01:44:33,290
today it tends to be organized religion

2285
01:44:36,280 --> 01:44:34,760
that is responsible for this I mean I

2286
01:44:37,710 --> 01:44:36,290
don't need to repeat all the headlines

2287
01:44:40,410 --> 01:44:37,720
that have been coming out about the

2288
01:44:43,300 --> 01:44:40,420
Catholic Church and is organized

2289
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:43,310
decades-long child sexual abuse you know

2290
01:44:47,760 --> 01:44:45,410
in the Catholic Church by and large is

2291
01:44:50,740 --> 01:44:47,770
the source of these great crimes and

2292
01:44:54,700 --> 01:44:50,750
there's a lot of shadow projection going

2293
01:44:56,440 --> 01:44:54,710
on and you know there's a shadow

2294
01:44:58,750 --> 01:44:56,450
projection is is something that people

2295
01:45:01,510 --> 01:44:58,760
do it's a psychological mechanism and

2296
01:45:05,650 --> 01:45:01,520
that's you know it's a terrible thing

2297
01:45:10,660 --> 01:45:05,660
and well let's let's stay on that for a

2298
01:45:13,480 --> 01:45:10,670
second so now we have that that word a

2299
01:45:16,570 --> 01:45:13,490
cult that has all of these connotations

2300
01:45:18,280 --> 01:45:16,580
I will agree with you when you go back

2301
01:45:21,150 --> 01:45:18,290
to what happened in the 70s with the

2302
01:45:22,740 --> 01:45:21,160
Exorcist and with Rosemary's Baby I mean

2303
01:45:26,460 --> 01:45:22,750
we have to be honest here that last ten

2304
01:45:29,640 --> 01:45:26,470
minutes of Rosemary's Baby the first you

2305
01:45:31,830 --> 01:45:29,650
know 3/4 of the film were a great set up

2306
01:45:33,690 --> 01:45:31,840
and then that last ten minutes was about

2307
01:45:36,450 --> 01:45:33,700
as scary and as frightening as it gets

2308
01:45:39,690 --> 01:45:36,460
and now we have the tie-in with the

2309
01:45:43,860 --> 01:45:39,700
occult and today the you can't shake it

2310
01:45:45,660 --> 01:45:43,870
it's like a decades-long tarnishing of

2311
01:45:51,420 --> 01:45:45,670
the word that it may not ever be

2312
01:45:53,010 --> 01:45:51,430
overcome will it well I know I think it

2313
01:45:55,110 --> 01:45:53,020
will be overcome because I think we have

2314
01:45:56,640 --> 01:45:55,120
a whole generation of kids who were I

2315
01:45:59,130 --> 01:45:56,650
mean yes there's that but we've also had

2316
01:46:02,910 --> 01:45:59,140
a whole generation of kids raised on

2317
01:46:04,560 --> 01:46:02,920
very positive media like Harry Potter or

2318
01:46:06,900 --> 01:46:04,570
you know again charmed and things like

2319
01:46:09,900 --> 01:46:06,910
this and I don't think they can put the

2320
01:46:12,630 --> 01:46:09,910
they can't put the the cat back in the

2321
01:46:14,790 --> 01:46:12,640
box as it were and we have the internet

2322
01:46:16,680 --> 01:46:14,800
now people have access to good media and

2323
01:46:19,260 --> 01:46:16,690
they can read these things for

2324
01:46:20,910 --> 01:46:19,270
themselves just in the sense that I mean

2325
01:46:24,270 --> 01:46:20,920
even if you look at I mean for instance

2326
01:46:27,240 --> 01:46:24,280
look at how marijuana was treated in the

2327
01:46:29,550 --> 01:46:27,250
1930s 40s and 50s and that crazy movie

2328
01:46:31,260 --> 01:46:29,560
reefer madness and all of that where

2329
01:46:33,720 --> 01:46:31,270
they they you know they had this movie

2330
01:46:37,620 --> 01:46:33,730
about oh yeah you know like people carry

2331
01:46:39,690 --> 01:46:37,630
around marijuana joints in in tomato

2332
01:46:41,640 --> 01:46:39,700
cans and they'd smoke them and then they

2333
01:46:45,330 --> 01:46:41,650
turn into axe murderers and just this

2334
01:46:48,840 --> 01:46:45,340
total nonsense propaganda insanity and I

2335
01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:48,850
think that as as people become more

2336
01:46:56,030 --> 01:46:52,810
informed and they begin to realize the

2337
01:46:59,430 --> 01:46:56,040
real crux of it is realizing that

2338
01:47:02,270 --> 01:46:59,440
spirituality is something that we should

2339
01:47:05,450 --> 01:47:02,280
take responsibility for and as a

2340
01:47:08,190 --> 01:47:05,460
conversation and is something that you

2341
01:47:10,080 --> 01:47:08,200
train I mean spirituality is not just

2342
01:47:11,250 --> 01:47:10,090
something you accept or a Dogma it's

2343
01:47:12,930 --> 01:47:11,260
something you have to train in like

2344
01:47:14,340 --> 01:47:12,940
going to the gym meditation you have to

2345
01:47:16,320 --> 01:47:14,350
do everyday you know you have to focus

2346
01:47:19,260 --> 01:47:16,330
on what you truly want in life everyday

2347
01:47:20,160 --> 01:47:19,270
and if you loo if you if you stop using

2348
01:47:22,770 --> 01:47:20,170
it you lose it

2349
01:47:25,950 --> 01:47:22,780
so as people begin to come to realize

2350
01:47:27,810 --> 01:47:25,960
that you know the spirituality is

2351
01:47:29,940 --> 01:47:27,820
something that humanity needs to get

2352
01:47:32,910 --> 01:47:29,950
good at just as much as it's gotten good

2353
01:47:34,930 --> 01:47:32,920
at technology and materialism then these

2354
01:47:36,880 --> 01:47:34,940
you know these superstition

2355
01:47:39,370 --> 01:47:36,890
we'll fade away and be shown to be just

2356
01:47:42,550 --> 01:47:39,380
that you know the superstition of scared

2357
01:47:47,950 --> 01:47:42,560
people and while speaking of Rosemary's

2358
01:47:52,689 --> 01:47:47,960
Baby which tended to suggest a coven or

2359
01:47:54,990 --> 01:47:52,699
group right that that's ultimately what

2360
01:47:59,050 --> 01:47:55,000
was there what's the difference between

2361
01:48:02,680 --> 01:47:59,060
like a solitary witch and and ones that

2362
01:48:07,570 --> 01:48:02,690
are part of a coven and are you part of

2363
01:48:12,220 --> 01:48:07,580
a coven no I only I never leave the

2364
01:48:15,610 --> 01:48:12,230
house unless it's to talk to you I'm an

2365
01:48:20,290 --> 01:48:15,620
exceedingly boring a normal person now I

2366
01:48:22,090 --> 01:48:20,300
I think that well let's see yeah well

2367
01:48:23,740 --> 01:48:22,100
sometimes you know some people are

2368
01:48:26,740 --> 01:48:23,750
social and some are I mean like some

2369
01:48:32,110 --> 01:48:26,750
people get into groups to explore things

2370
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:32,120
like this and you know I mean what's a

2371
01:48:38,860 --> 01:48:34,010
coven you know in our modern world it's

2372
01:48:40,240 --> 01:48:38,870
you know five exceedingly attractive 23

2373
01:48:43,479 --> 01:48:40,250
year olds in Brooklyn you know like

2374
01:48:45,610 --> 01:48:43,489
that's life that's you know it's it's

2375
01:48:48,280 --> 01:48:45,620
it's like a group of friends I mean I

2376
01:48:52,180 --> 01:48:48,290
don't think it's all these all these

2377
01:48:53,979 --> 01:48:52,190
sinister things need to go in my opinion

2378
01:48:56,380 --> 01:48:53,989
and as somebody who's spent a lot of

2379
01:48:58,810 --> 01:48:56,390
time trying to modernize these

2380
01:49:01,060 --> 01:48:58,820
traditions it all needs to go and it

2381
01:49:03,459 --> 01:49:01,070
needs to go in the sense of people

2382
01:49:05,830 --> 01:49:03,469
putting these sinister images on magic

2383
01:49:07,420 --> 01:49:05,840
to scare people but it also needs to go

2384
01:49:09,280 --> 01:49:07,430
from the other side which is the Kitsch

2385
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:09,290
factor I think that people who are into

2386
01:49:14,380 --> 01:49:11,570
these things very often adopt the

2387
01:49:16,810 --> 01:49:14,390
symbols of like you know Satanism or

2388
01:49:19,420 --> 01:49:16,820
Rosemary's Baby or you know Hammer

2389
01:49:21,760 --> 01:49:19,430
horror movies and they kind of like they

2390
01:49:24,189 --> 01:49:21,770
kind of own it they wear it but it's

2391
01:49:25,990 --> 01:49:24,199
just so kitschy that at a certain point

2392
01:49:28,360 --> 01:49:26,000
we just have to go okay

2393
01:49:30,220 --> 01:49:28,370
what is actually useful about these

2394
01:49:32,790 --> 01:49:30,230
things there's a real technology here

2395
01:49:35,860 --> 01:49:32,800
what are the things within this vast

2396
01:49:38,140 --> 01:49:35,870
field of magic or neo-paganism in

2397
01:49:40,390 --> 01:49:38,150
general that are actually useful eken

2398
01:49:42,880 --> 01:49:40,400
and can actually make our lives better

2399
01:49:45,550 --> 01:49:42,890
and let's just focus on that and drop

2400
01:49:47,380 --> 01:49:45,560
the BS that's my view on and I think all

2401
01:49:48,370 --> 01:49:47,390
of that stuff is window dressing and

2402
01:49:50,410 --> 01:49:48,380
play-acting

2403
01:49:53,410 --> 01:49:50,420
and you wouldn't catch me dead you know

2404
01:49:55,210 --> 01:49:53,420
dressing up in a robe or you know any of

2405
01:49:58,060 --> 01:49:55,220
that silliness you know my version of

2406
01:50:00,220 --> 01:49:58,070
magic is focusing on exactly what I want

2407
01:50:02,350 --> 01:50:00,230
in my life laying out a plan to get

2408
01:50:06,190 --> 01:50:02,360
there getting the best information that

2409
01:50:08,650 --> 01:50:06,200
I can to get there and then enacting my

2410
01:50:11,860 --> 01:50:08,660
will within the world which I don't need

2411
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:11,870
you know silly play-acting implements to

2412
01:50:16,930 --> 01:50:14,210
do or you know this kind of Hammer

2413
01:50:18,520 --> 01:50:16,940
horror image of a cauldron and you know

2414
01:50:21,640 --> 01:50:18,530
for me it's like you know it's it's

2415
01:50:23,890 --> 01:50:21,650
directed will its making is changing

2416
01:50:26,170 --> 01:50:23,900
reality and conformity with will and to

2417
01:50:28,090 --> 01:50:26,180
do that I'll use whatever the best

2418
01:50:31,740 --> 01:50:28,100
Technic tools are it's not all this

2419
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:31,750
silly stuff it's like you know Google

2420
01:50:37,330 --> 01:50:35,360
you know computers you know extremely

2421
01:50:39,310 --> 01:50:37,340
advanced information technology things

2422
01:50:43,110 --> 01:50:39,320
like this whatever the best tools I can

2423
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:43,120
get to enact my will my will meaning

2424
01:50:48,190 --> 01:50:46,010
what I truly want to be doing with my

2425
01:50:50,530 --> 01:50:48,200
life you know it's like how do I live

2426
01:50:53,470 --> 01:50:50,540
the V life that I am meant to live

2427
01:50:55,420 --> 01:50:53,480
that's what it's about instead of going

2428
01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:55,430
back to sleep and being carried along by

2429
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,010
the by the current of the world that

2430
01:51:02,290 --> 01:51:00,320
leads to nowhere which is what most

2431
01:51:05,980 --> 01:51:02,300
people do you know carried away by the

2432
01:51:08,290 --> 01:51:05,990
river of Netflix into Nowheresville it's

2433
01:51:09,730 --> 01:51:08,300
about finding your will and enacting it

2434
01:51:11,650 --> 01:51:09,740
in the world and that means living the

2435
01:51:14,560 --> 01:51:11,660
life that you're truly meant to live and

2436
01:51:17,380 --> 01:51:14,570
everything else is stage props and all

2437
01:51:18,970 --> 01:51:17,390
this spooky stuff is Hollywood well I'm

2438
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:18,980
just gonna let the audience know I've

2439
01:51:24,280 --> 01:51:21,290
seen Jason's house and he bought the

2440
01:51:27,250 --> 01:51:24,290
Munsters house and that's where he lives

2441
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:27,260
now and it's time for you to come clean

2442
01:51:34,060 --> 01:51:30,530
Jason it's okay it's okay

2443
01:51:36,510 --> 01:51:34,070
I actually am Herman Munster you are

2444
01:51:41,860 --> 01:51:36,520
Herman but were you're about that tall

2445
01:51:46,800 --> 01:51:41,870
years ago I'm gonna go back to the early

2446
01:51:49,060 --> 01:51:46,810
90s maybe around 1990 I went over to a

2447
01:51:51,550 --> 01:51:49,070
friend's house I was with another friend

2448
01:51:56,830 --> 01:51:51,560
and we went into this apartment and on

2449
01:52:01,959 --> 01:51:56,840
the floor in the carpet was a pentagram

2450
01:52:04,030 --> 01:52:01,969
I was probably 5 feet in diameter

2451
01:52:07,959 --> 01:52:04,040
and I'm look it's in the carpet and it's

2452
01:52:13,020 --> 01:52:07,969
made with melted black candle wax right

2453
01:52:18,250 --> 01:52:13,030
now I go in and I see this and I was

2454
01:52:19,930 --> 01:52:18,260
completely freaked out now when I saw it

2455
01:52:22,420 --> 01:52:19,940
I was affected

2456
01:52:26,500 --> 01:52:22,430
it was the it's you know it's like you

2457
01:52:28,600 --> 01:52:26,510
know any other sigil or any other symbol

2458
01:52:31,360 --> 01:52:28,610
that you see like this but I was

2459
01:52:35,250 --> 01:52:31,370
immediately affected by it and it was

2460
01:52:40,540 --> 01:52:35,260
powerful now the person that did this

2461
01:52:44,050 --> 01:52:40,550
obviously was practicing something and I

2462
01:52:45,670 --> 01:52:44,060
it it changed my view of this person

2463
01:52:49,330 --> 01:52:45,680
forever somebody that I'd known for a

2464
01:52:53,590 --> 01:52:49,340
long time why would somebody do that are

2465
01:52:55,090 --> 01:52:53,600
they practicing something that that this

2466
01:52:56,650 --> 01:52:55,100
is a necessity

2467
01:53:00,850 --> 01:52:56,660
do you understand where I'm going with

2468
01:53:05,200 --> 01:53:00,860
his work somebody has taken that kind of

2469
01:53:06,490 --> 01:53:05,210
drastic step in their own home it could

2470
01:53:12,280 --> 01:53:06,500
have just been some weird swingers thing

2471
01:53:16,870 --> 01:53:12,290
I don't know there's always that option

2472
01:53:20,229 --> 01:53:16,880
well played well played but broadly

2473
01:53:24,670 --> 01:53:20,239
speaking I mean I I don't know I look

2474
01:53:27,130 --> 01:53:24,680
there's so many magic is just a word

2475
01:53:29,170 --> 01:53:27,140
right and people bring their own level

2476
01:53:31,350 --> 01:53:29,180
of consciousness to it and and I tend to

2477
01:53:33,580 --> 01:53:31,360
use magic as a tool for expressing

2478
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:33,590
universal truths to the world and

2479
01:53:38,380 --> 01:53:36,050
focusing on what's truly good in life

2480
01:53:41,340 --> 01:53:38,390
but that you know lots of people have a

2481
01:53:44,260 --> 01:53:41,350
have a different you know perhaps less

2482
01:53:47,260 --> 01:53:44,270
you know a less well constructed view of

2483
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:47,270
it and yeah I mean you know people can

2484
01:53:56,100 --> 01:53:51,370
you know symbols can be symbols can be

2485
01:53:59,590 --> 01:53:56,110
focuses or foci for energies intention

2486
01:54:01,720 --> 01:53:59,600
magical intent and emotion just like

2487
01:54:04,090 --> 01:54:01,730
anything else can be and you know if

2488
01:54:06,970 --> 01:54:04,100
somebody you can make a symbol and you

2489
01:54:09,310 --> 01:54:06,980
can you know if somebody puts their own

2490
01:54:11,439 --> 01:54:09,320
negativity into it because they're a

2491
01:54:14,200 --> 01:54:11,449
negative person then yeah you're gonna

2492
01:54:15,169 --> 01:54:14,210
feel a negative vibe around it and it's

2493
01:54:17,899 --> 01:54:15,179
not going to be plus

2494
01:54:20,179 --> 01:54:17,909
but it's not really that's not something

2495
01:54:21,859 --> 01:54:20,189
that's inherent in magic itself it's

2496
01:54:23,839 --> 01:54:21,869
just that's how they've used the tool

2497
01:54:25,549 --> 01:54:23,849
you know it's like magic is just a tool

2498
01:54:28,129 --> 01:54:25,559
you can use it the right way or you can

2499
01:54:29,959 --> 01:54:28,139
use it the wrong way and there are many

2500
01:54:31,969 --> 01:54:29,969
people that use it the wrong way and

2501
01:54:34,759 --> 01:54:31,979
that by the way that tends not to be

2502
01:54:38,209 --> 01:54:34,769
some super sinister thing it just tends

2503
01:54:40,100 --> 01:54:38,219
to be kind of lame and I'm not

2504
01:54:42,049 --> 01:54:40,110
particularly productive and one of the

2505
01:54:43,549 --> 01:54:42,059
reasons why I teach magic is to show

2506
01:54:46,009 --> 01:54:43,559
people there actually is a right way to

2507
01:54:48,919 --> 01:54:46,019
do it it's will be bit more beneficial

2508
01:54:50,750 --> 01:54:48,929
for everyone in general and more

2509
01:54:52,459 --> 01:54:50,760
positive and more supportive of the good

2510
01:54:55,189 --> 01:54:52,469
things in life well I'll tell you what

2511
01:54:57,080 --> 01:54:55,199
the effect on me and we're gonna take a

2512
01:54:59,479 --> 01:54:57,090
break right here but after seeing that

2513
01:55:02,029 --> 01:54:59,489
I'm nice I'm a nice I'm nice to

2514
01:55:08,439 --> 01:55:02,039
everybody but to this particular person

2515
01:55:15,949 --> 01:55:12,379
I didn't want any negative vibes it was

2516
01:55:22,370 --> 01:55:15,959
just so funny how it affected me it

2517
01:55:25,189 --> 01:55:22,380
really really did I absolutely I respect

2518
01:55:27,859 --> 01:55:25,199
everybody but the respect went up a

2519
01:55:32,439 --> 01:55:27,869
level in that I did not want to offend I

2520
01:55:34,939 --> 01:55:32,449
did not I didn't want any evil spells

2521
01:55:38,660 --> 01:55:34,949
projected on me yeah but I'm serious it

2522
01:55:42,709 --> 01:55:38,670
really it really shook me it did it and

2523
01:55:44,870 --> 01:55:42,719
and the other part is that that I

2524
01:55:49,699 --> 01:55:44,880
thought about was that I wonder how many

2525
01:55:51,770 --> 01:55:49,709
people come into this apartment right

2526
01:55:55,459 --> 01:55:51,780
how many people are exposed to this and

2527
01:55:58,040 --> 01:55:55,469
and I am right now and why is this going

2528
01:56:00,879 --> 01:55:58,050
down right all of that I mean it's it's

2529
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:00,889
psychological man it was it was powerful

2530
01:56:07,009 --> 01:56:04,130
Wow well you know becoming aware of

2531
01:56:09,799 --> 01:56:07,019
where your comfort level is is also a

2532
01:56:11,959 --> 01:56:09,809
big part of obviously not just magic but

2533
01:56:15,560 --> 01:56:11,969
spiritual growth in general and becoming

2534
01:56:17,089 --> 01:56:15,570
aware of subtle levels of things like

2535
01:56:18,649 --> 01:56:17,099
you're describing you know you felt that

2536
01:56:20,149 --> 01:56:18,659
it was not right for you that's that's

2537
01:56:22,120 --> 01:56:20,159
an important it's like an immune

2538
01:56:25,489 --> 01:56:22,130
response and as we become more

2539
01:56:27,979 --> 01:56:25,499
energetically and spiritually I don't

2540
01:56:28,970 --> 01:56:27,989
want to say advanced but practiced right

2541
01:56:32,600 --> 01:56:28,980
we get

2542
01:56:34,760 --> 01:56:32,610
better at you you know finding what is

2543
01:56:36,979 --> 01:56:34,770
right for us and what's not and that's

2544
01:56:38,810 --> 01:56:36,989
also a part of magic is understanding

2545
01:56:41,840 --> 01:56:38,820
what's what's not what's healthy and

2546
01:56:43,460 --> 01:56:41,850
what's not and how to steer away and of

2547
01:56:45,140 --> 01:56:43,470
course when you're steering away from

2548
01:56:46,820 --> 01:56:45,150
something like that it's not just that

2549
01:56:50,210 --> 01:56:46,830
you're steering away from it you're

2550
01:56:51,830 --> 01:56:50,220
steering towards what is more correct

2551
01:56:55,670 --> 01:56:51,840
for you so it's a learning experience

2552
01:56:57,740 --> 01:56:55,680
where you're you're you're learning what

2553
01:56:59,570 --> 01:56:57,750
what feels right for you and what feels

2554
01:57:02,960 --> 01:56:59,580
right for you is always what is what is

2555
01:57:04,910 --> 01:57:02,970
true more true for you and what is you

2556
01:57:07,400 --> 01:57:04,920
know that you know the frequency of life

2557
01:57:09,590 --> 01:57:07,410
that is is where you're meant to be yeah

2558
01:57:12,740 --> 01:57:09,600
and you didn't ask me if I went back but

2559
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:12,750
I'll answer that question no did you go

2560
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:15,840
back with a Ghostbusters proton I know I

2561
01:57:20,540 --> 01:57:16,530
don't right

2562
01:57:21,979 --> 01:57:20,550
the answer is no and I remember over the

2563
01:57:23,450 --> 01:57:21,989
years a couple of times it's like hey

2564
01:57:26,930 --> 01:57:23,460
you know let's uh let's go over now

2565
01:57:29,090 --> 01:57:26,940
that's cool I'm cool I'm going this way

2566
01:57:30,710 --> 01:57:29,100
let's take a break chase I want to keep

2567
01:57:33,200 --> 01:57:30,720
you for a little over time tonight if

2568
01:57:35,120 --> 01:57:33,210
that's okay because I want to discuss

2569
01:57:37,880 --> 01:57:35,130
you touched upon this a couple of times

2570
01:57:41,540 --> 01:57:37,890
but now I I do I want to talk about your

2571
01:57:43,250 --> 01:57:41,550
magic what you practice what type the

2572
01:57:45,560 --> 01:57:43,260
the questions are flying in here to

2573
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:45,570
Twitter and we got to get to the bottom

2574
01:57:48,500 --> 01:57:47,370
of all of that and we'll do that after

2575
01:57:51,530 --> 01:57:48,510
this short break or I guess tonight

2576
01:57:53,540 --> 01:57:51,540
jasonlew night one of Halloween week

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01:57:56,770 --> 01:57:53,550
here on fade to black we'll be right

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01:57:56,780 --> 01:58:16,859
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[Music]

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welcome back betta black night one of

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our Halloween week tonight it is

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jasonlew tomorrow night

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Maureen woods gonna be here ghost story

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Wednesday night sha the Loon witch and I

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gotta tell you I've got to give Jason

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some credit man he's pretty powerful

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with the magic spells because I was

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walking down the hallway during the

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break taking a break and this thing

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popped in my head Jimmy you will talk

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02:03:12,939 --> 02:03:09,110
about my podcast after the break

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that was cool how did you do that

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magician never reveals his secret and

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apparently not

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where can everybody check out your

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podcast Jason so my podcast is called

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ultra culture with jason louvre you can

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find it in the iTunes Store or anywhere

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you can get podcasts including Spotify

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you can also find it at my web page

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which is Jason lucam

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it's going great got another with weave

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thanks to some extra thanks to Jimmy -

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you've been helping me with some advice

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on on proper mic technique and things

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like that it's been very very helpful in

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growing the show yeah you know

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congratulations on that and I've been

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watching the comments with everybody

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02:03:58,870 --> 02:03:54,420
about your podcast and it seems to be

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02:04:01,810 --> 02:03:58,880
well I don't want to say that it's been

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how do I want to say this correctly that

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everybody just digs it right and I've

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been watching the comments and I do

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02:04:10,760 --> 02:04:08,790
follow you on twitter and so

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congratulations man seriously it's it's

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it's tough to do thank you yeah it's

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it's tougher than I thought but I'm

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really getting I'm starting to get the

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hang of it and really enjoying it I just

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had just had the next episode as with

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Mitch Horowitz oh I think you just had

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on also it's just in town did you go

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check him out oh he came by he came by

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to hang out here and we had some

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02:04:36,350 --> 02:04:33,150
breakfast and recorded a podcast he's a

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02:04:39,650 --> 02:04:36,360
friend and a great guy he is he is

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amazing amazing and you know most people

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02:04:45,020 --> 02:04:41,070
don't know this he's a hundred and

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eighteen years old I believe that that's

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the power of positive thinking right

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there

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what kind of magic

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do you practice well I've I've tried to

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practice every single type of magic that

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02:05:04,660 --> 02:04:59,780
I could I've been through so many

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systems from Hermeticism to koala to to

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02:05:10,540 --> 02:05:07,429
Hindu Tantra to Buddhist Tantra to Sufi

2721
02:05:14,140 --> 02:05:10,550
ISM to even you know things like neuro

2722
02:05:18,070 --> 02:05:14,150
linguistic programming or vu d'en or you

2723
02:05:21,850 --> 02:05:18,080
know I've been all over the map and what

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I've really come to is I think the core

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is meditation and single-pointed focus

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02:05:30,490 --> 02:05:28,580
that's really the core of it but broadly

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02:05:33,189 --> 02:05:30,500
speaking I would say you know Western

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02:05:35,200 --> 02:05:33,199
Western magic I've spent a lot of time

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doing Enochian of course that led into

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02:05:43,479 --> 02:05:40,300
the John Dee book but my you know as we

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02:05:46,740 --> 02:05:43,489
as I think I was hinting at earlier as

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02:05:50,470 --> 02:05:46,750
you get more practiced with magic you

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02:05:52,810 --> 02:05:50,480
get the you kind of lock into the vibe

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and you lock into what the process

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02:05:58,180 --> 02:05:56,270
actually what you're actually doing you

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02:06:02,950 --> 02:05:58,190
know how your mind is actually changing

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02:06:05,140 --> 02:06:02,960
what the core of ritual is the the you

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02:06:07,149 --> 02:06:05,150
know that it's a focusing mechanism and

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02:06:09,280 --> 02:06:07,159
things like this and when you really get

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02:06:11,950 --> 02:06:09,290
it it's kind of like the form stop

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02:06:14,320 --> 02:06:11,960
mattering I would you know I would

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02:06:15,939 --> 02:06:14,330
certainly you know it's kind of like

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02:06:17,649 --> 02:06:15,949
when people get very very good at

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02:06:20,680 --> 02:06:17,659
martial arts and they train in a lot of

2745
02:06:22,839 --> 02:06:20,690
different martial arts it's it's no

2746
02:06:23,859 --> 02:06:22,849
longer necessarily recognized what

2747
02:06:25,839 --> 02:06:23,869
they're doing is not necessarily

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02:06:27,220 --> 02:06:25,849
recognizable as one school or the other

2749
02:06:29,439 --> 02:06:27,230
there was like a little bit here a

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02:06:32,649 --> 02:06:29,449
little bit there but it just seems kind

2751
02:06:35,320 --> 02:06:32,659
of effortless I'm not you know trying to

2752
02:06:38,140 --> 02:06:35,330
make myself sound super cool I'm just

2753
02:06:40,899 --> 02:06:38,150
saying this is kind of like where magic

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02:06:43,450 --> 02:06:40,909
gets to after a long process you know

2755
02:06:46,930 --> 02:06:43,460
long experience it's it's not you know

2756
02:06:51,970 --> 02:06:46,940
the props become less important the all

2757
02:06:54,370 --> 02:06:51,980
of the theory and the academic my new

2758
02:06:56,379 --> 02:06:54,380
show become less important and it

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02:07:00,250 --> 02:06:56,389
becomes more about how you live your

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02:07:01,419 --> 02:07:00,260
life that said I don't want to totally

2761
02:07:03,310 --> 02:07:01,429
take it away from the technical

2762
02:07:03,620 --> 02:07:03,320
processes of magic because on the other

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02:07:05,390 --> 02:07:03,630
hand

2764
02:07:06,979 --> 02:07:05,400
we had people who just say oh well my

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02:07:08,510 --> 02:07:06,989
life is magical and I just live in

2766
02:07:11,209 --> 02:07:08,520
magical life it's not like that either

2767
02:07:13,430 --> 02:07:11,219
it actually is a practice that has to be

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02:07:15,439 --> 02:07:13,440
done and that you can do right or wrong

2769
02:07:16,790 --> 02:07:15,449
there is a right answer with these

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02:07:19,180 --> 02:07:16,800
things and it is something that requires

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02:07:24,379 --> 02:07:19,190
practice just like going to the gym does

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02:07:26,510 --> 02:07:24,389
but so so for me I'll just underline

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02:07:29,840 --> 02:07:26,520
that the most important things for me

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02:07:32,919 --> 02:07:29,850
are keeping my mind empty and not

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02:07:35,810 --> 02:07:32,929
letting myself get caught up in the

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chaos of of the mind or getting pulled

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02:07:43,399 --> 02:07:40,199
around by other people's will and so

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02:07:45,260 --> 02:07:43,409
meditation keeping the mind empty total

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02:07:48,770 --> 02:07:45,270
focus on whatever it is that I happen to

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02:07:51,160 --> 02:07:48,780
be doing and then expressing my will

2781
02:07:53,870 --> 02:07:51,170
into the world which I'm currently doing

2782
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:53,880
obviously with my podcast in my books

2783
02:07:58,990 --> 02:07:56,880
and my web presence and the company that

2784
02:08:02,600 --> 02:07:59,000
I run that does all these things and

2785
02:08:05,899 --> 02:08:02,610
manifesting as much as I can of myself

2786
02:08:09,350 --> 02:08:05,909
in a way that I hope is helpful and and

2787
02:08:12,729 --> 02:08:09,360
of manifesting my self in a way that I

2788
02:08:16,430 --> 02:08:12,739
hope brings other people up a level and

2789
02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:16,440
and brings them also along the path of

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02:08:22,160 --> 02:08:19,320
magic or spirituality it doesn't have to

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02:08:24,050 --> 02:08:22,170
be magic but that's kind of been a major

2792
02:08:26,930 --> 02:08:24,060
thing that I've done in my magical

2793
02:08:30,020 --> 02:08:26,940
career is try to open this to everyone

2794
02:08:34,220 --> 02:08:30,030
and not just myself did you go through

2795
02:08:37,550 --> 02:08:34,230
and explore some of the traditional

2796
02:08:42,939 --> 02:08:37,560
views of magic you know the spells the

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02:08:46,010 --> 02:08:42,949
powders the you know the black candles

2798
02:08:47,899 --> 02:08:46,020
the psychic I bookshop you know that

2799
02:08:49,669 --> 02:08:47,909
kind of thing oh yeah did you go through

2800
02:08:51,620 --> 02:08:49,679
that done all of it write down all of it

2801
02:08:54,080 --> 02:08:51,630
Jimmy I've been through all of it you

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02:08:56,000 --> 02:08:54,090
know by the book you know so so what I'm

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02:08:58,580 --> 02:08:56,010
what I'm talking about is this kind of

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02:09:01,490 --> 02:08:58,590
you know I won't say effortless but this

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02:09:03,979 --> 02:09:01,500
kind of you know this kind of empty

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02:09:05,899 --> 02:09:03,989
handed understanding is not just

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02:09:07,610 --> 02:09:05,909
something that that's just how I do it

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02:09:10,370 --> 02:09:07,620
it's like that's what I've gotten to

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02:09:12,800 --> 02:09:10,380
from going through these things very

2810
02:09:15,830 --> 02:09:12,810
very rigorously and going into every

2811
02:09:18,290 --> 02:09:15,840
single nook and cranny of these things

2812
02:09:21,410 --> 02:09:18,300
and what what did you learn from that as

2813
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:21,420
you you know you it's obviously a

2814
02:09:26,839 --> 02:09:24,210
transition right you're you're you're

2815
02:09:29,240 --> 02:09:26,849
going through and evolving what did you

2816
02:09:33,169 --> 02:09:29,250
learn from going through all of those

2817
02:09:35,060 --> 02:09:33,179
traditional views of magic so much so

2818
02:09:37,100 --> 02:09:35,070
much I mean every single tradition has a

2819
02:09:39,350 --> 02:09:37,110
major message to offer and then it's got

2820
02:09:41,600 --> 02:09:39,360
a lot of stuff there's so I mean it's a

2821
02:09:43,189 --> 02:09:41,610
whole universe it's kind of impossible

2822
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:43,199
to answer that question because it's

2823
02:09:48,350 --> 02:09:45,530
been my whole life but if I would

2824
02:09:49,879 --> 02:09:48,360
summarize some of it outside of what I

2825
02:09:56,180 --> 02:09:49,889
already said in terms of kind of what

2826
02:09:57,649 --> 02:09:56,190
I've come to its understanding hmm this

2827
02:10:00,439 --> 02:09:57,659
is an interesting question it's

2828
02:10:02,689 --> 02:10:00,449
understanding what is health what what

2829
02:10:06,229 --> 02:10:02,699
fosters human evolution and what does

2830
02:10:11,359 --> 02:10:06,239
not and understanding how important and

2831
02:10:13,490 --> 02:10:11,369
powerful the mind is and ultimately that

2832
02:10:17,419 --> 02:10:13,500
it is ours to direct and harness in the

2833
02:10:20,359 --> 02:10:17,429
way that we choose and that we but at a

2834
02:10:24,560 --> 02:10:20,369
certain point we can't just use these

2835
02:10:28,189 --> 02:10:24,570
things to gratify our own desires that

2836
02:10:30,919 --> 02:10:28,199
real magic you know capital M magic is

2837
02:10:32,689 --> 02:10:30,929
about doing whatever you can to assist

2838
02:10:35,680 --> 02:10:32,699
the evolution of humanity as a whole

2839
02:10:38,780 --> 02:10:35,690
that's the key to the whole thing and

2840
02:10:42,140 --> 02:10:38,790
being in a role of service and that's

2841
02:10:45,830 --> 02:10:42,150
what I tried to do and that's the point

2842
02:10:47,419 --> 02:10:45,840
is moving humanity along because frankly

2843
02:10:50,419 --> 02:10:47,429
speaking we probably don't have a whole

2844
02:10:53,209 --> 02:10:50,429
lot of time left so there's not a whole

2845
02:10:57,649 --> 02:10:53,219
lot of time to kind of put on airs and

2846
02:11:00,260 --> 02:10:57,659
and you know mess around you know it's

2847
02:11:01,700 --> 02:11:00,270
we have some serious crises ahead of us

2848
02:11:04,129 --> 02:11:01,710
in the 21st century and we need

2849
02:11:08,050 --> 02:11:04,139
conscious people in order to fully face

2850
02:11:11,149 --> 02:11:08,060
them and when it comes to things like

2851
02:11:13,459 --> 02:11:11,159
white magic and black magic these are

2852
02:11:17,689 --> 02:11:13,469
terms that we've heard over and over

2853
02:11:21,080 --> 02:11:17,699
again is that real or are those just

2854
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:21,090
words and classifications I'll give you

2855
02:11:24,979 --> 02:11:22,530
my definition of it I've actually got a

2856
02:11:27,649 --> 02:11:24,989
whole podcast on this it's my probably

2857
02:11:29,150 --> 02:11:27,659
my most loved podcast ever on my on my

2858
02:11:31,910 --> 02:11:29,160
show which is called white match

2859
02:11:34,370 --> 02:11:31,920
versus black magic my my broadly

2860
02:11:38,570 --> 02:11:34,380
speaking my definition is that white a

2861
02:11:42,170 --> 02:11:38,580
black magic is when you use magic to try

2862
02:11:44,660 --> 02:11:42,180
to get your way and fulfill your selfish

2863
02:11:47,210 --> 02:11:44,670
desires and white magic is when you get

2864
02:11:48,950 --> 02:11:47,220
out of your own way and humble yourself

2865
02:11:52,880 --> 02:11:48,960
enough to accept what the universe is

2866
02:11:55,370 --> 02:11:52,890
trying to give you already and expand on

2867
02:11:57,590 --> 02:11:55,380
that a little bit that that's that's

2868
02:12:03,950 --> 02:11:57,600
that's pretty cool so let's expand on

2869
02:12:09,290 --> 02:12:03,960
that so why why has society a black

2870
02:12:11,630 --> 02:12:09,300
magic being evil right well for to to

2871
02:12:17,350 --> 02:12:11,640
use it for yourself is that necessarily

2872
02:12:19,940 --> 02:12:17,360
evil or no no no no it's it's more about

2873
02:12:23,210 --> 02:12:19,950
what the real crux of that is is how you

2874
02:12:26,360 --> 02:12:23,220
define yourself because your true self

2875
02:12:28,070 --> 02:12:26,370
is far beyond the limited story that you

2876
02:12:30,290 --> 02:12:28,080
tell yourself without who you think you

2877
02:12:32,720 --> 02:12:30,300
are and this is where the wisdom comes

2878
02:12:34,730 --> 02:12:32,730
in and the enlightenment you have to you

2879
02:12:37,130 --> 02:12:34,740
know your true self Capital self L

2880
02:12:41,360 --> 02:12:37,140
capital S self

2881
02:12:44,150 --> 02:12:41,370
I almost said elf is beyond the mind it

2882
02:12:47,120 --> 02:12:44,160
exists it's post-linguistic it exists

2883
02:12:50,030 --> 02:12:47,130
beyond your limited story about who you

2884
02:12:51,650 --> 02:12:50,040
are everyone lives in a cage right most

2885
02:12:54,140 --> 02:12:51,660
human beings live in a prison

2886
02:12:56,210 --> 02:12:54,150
constructed of language constructed of

2887
02:12:58,790 --> 02:12:56,220
stories told to them by other people or

2888
02:13:01,160 --> 02:12:58,800
by themselves or by the media or by the

2889
02:13:02,630 --> 02:13:01,170
internet usually the story starts with

2890
02:13:05,120 --> 02:13:02,640
their parents and then their teachers

2891
02:13:07,340 --> 02:13:05,130
and their peers and they they're sold an

2892
02:13:10,850 --> 02:13:07,350
identity of who they are but it's just a

2893
02:13:13,490 --> 02:13:10,860
story the true human self is beyond all

2894
02:13:16,280 --> 02:13:13,500
of that and if you're not acting from

2895
02:13:18,950 --> 02:13:16,290
that then what you're really doing by

2896
02:13:21,380 --> 02:13:18,960
doing magic is reinforcing the desires

2897
02:13:24,230 --> 02:13:21,390
of a personality that was false to begin

2898
02:13:27,700 --> 02:13:24,240
with I don't and I know we could talk

2899
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:27,710
about the philosophy of this forever but

2900
02:13:31,850 --> 02:13:30,090
really the you know when we start to

2901
02:13:32,180 --> 02:13:31,860
talk about enlightenment and things like

2902
02:13:36,040 --> 02:13:32,190
that

2903
02:13:38,930 --> 02:13:36,050
it's about completely overcoming the

2904
02:13:40,910 --> 02:13:38,940
story of who you think you are because

2905
02:13:42,400 --> 02:13:40,920
it's just a fiction we're all fictional

2906
02:13:44,830 --> 02:13:42,410
beings and

2907
02:13:47,850 --> 02:13:44,840
the fictions are conspiracies created

2908
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:47,860
not by sinister governments but

2909
02:13:52,900 --> 02:13:50,090
conspirators conspires to create a

2910
02:13:55,630 --> 02:13:52,910
fiction including us conspires to create

2911
02:13:58,240 --> 02:13:55,640
this fictional being called jasonlew or

2912
02:14:01,800 --> 02:13:58,250
jimmy church you know and ultimately our

2913
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:01,810
true nature is infinite divine and

2914
02:14:08,380 --> 02:14:05,530
untouched and is and unchanging and

2915
02:14:10,900 --> 02:14:08,390
temporarily manifests as a temporary

2916
02:14:15,070 --> 02:14:10,910
personality to experience human life

2917
02:14:18,660 --> 02:14:15,080
this is a you know and at the dontoh

2918
02:14:21,490 --> 02:14:18,670
core a yogic way of looking at it and so

2919
02:14:24,220 --> 02:14:21,500
when we really you know the whole idea

2920
02:14:26,950 --> 02:14:24,230
of black magic is largely a creation of

2921
02:14:29,140 --> 02:14:26,960
Hollywood it you know there are

2922
02:14:30,700 --> 02:14:29,150
certainly people who believe that there

2923
02:14:32,410 --> 02:14:30,710
are black magicians but by and large

2924
02:14:34,300 --> 02:14:32,420
there are Dungeons and Dragons birds who

2925
02:14:36,610 --> 02:14:34,310
have just got off on a tangent of taking

2926
02:14:40,480 --> 02:14:36,620
themselves way too seriously the real

2927
02:14:45,010 --> 02:14:40,490
black magic is when we waste our lives

2928
02:14:48,310 --> 02:14:45,020
by pursuing desires that are beneath us

2929
02:14:50,680 --> 02:14:48,320
when we waste our lives by putting all

2930
02:14:54,850 --> 02:14:50,690
of our energy into the lowest parts of

2931
02:14:56,860 --> 02:14:54,860
our personality or just doing things

2932
02:14:59,350 --> 02:14:56,870
that are pleasurable in the moment but

2933
02:15:03,550 --> 02:14:59,360
are not truly living up to the person

2934
02:15:05,950 --> 02:15:03,560
that we truly could be if we really try

2935
02:15:07,690 --> 02:15:05,960
it or we truly lived up to it and that's

2936
02:15:09,640 --> 02:15:07,700
what white magic is why magic is about

2937
02:15:12,460 --> 02:15:09,650
evolution it's about and it's certainly

2938
02:15:14,740 --> 02:15:12,470
not easy it's about trying to become the

2939
02:15:17,590 --> 02:15:14,750
best person you possibly can and the

2940
02:15:19,090 --> 02:15:17,600
most help hopefully to the world well

2941
02:15:21,640 --> 02:15:19,100
wouldn't that be enlightened

2942
02:15:24,630 --> 02:15:21,650
self-interest which would be a form of

2943
02:15:28,260 --> 02:15:26,860
well enlightened self-interest is in

2944
02:15:31,030 --> 02:15:28,270
economic terms

2945
02:15:34,090 --> 02:15:31,040
kind of crossing the streams here what

2946
02:15:36,370 --> 02:15:34,100
about and this just came in from Cosmo

2947
02:15:37,900 --> 02:15:36,380
who's obviously on top of his game in

2948
02:15:40,390 --> 02:15:37,910
listening to this he said and then

2949
02:15:43,060 --> 02:15:40,400
there's red magic there was a famous

2950
02:15:45,130 --> 02:15:43,070
sorcerer from Egypt called Al Tookie who

2951
02:15:48,490 --> 02:15:45,140
practiced that are we talking about

2952
02:15:51,490 --> 02:15:48,500
Magic the Gathering I'm just reading his

2953
02:15:52,990 --> 02:15:51,500
question I don't know what I don't I

2954
02:15:53,320 --> 02:15:53,000
don't know that person or what that

2955
02:15:54,590 --> 02:15:53,330
means

2956
02:15:59,450 --> 02:15:54,600
okay so you've never heard of

2957
02:16:01,610 --> 02:15:59,460
red magic only in fantasy games oh how

2958
02:16:04,430 --> 02:16:01,620
so enlighten me

2959
02:16:07,780 --> 02:16:04,440
oh there's a famous card game from the

2960
02:16:10,610 --> 02:16:07,790
90s called Magic the Gathering which has

2961
02:16:13,790 --> 02:16:10,620
different colors of magic red red white

2962
02:16:16,040 --> 02:16:13,800
black blue and green very interesting

2963
02:16:17,540 --> 02:16:16,050
Jason but it's just a game you know

2964
02:16:20,380 --> 02:16:17,550
thank you so much how are you gonna

2965
02:16:23,120 --> 02:16:20,390
celebrate Halloween this week

2966
02:16:28,010 --> 02:16:23,130
good question probably by working on my

2967
02:16:30,650 --> 02:16:28,020
podcast right and I wanted to ask you I

2968
02:16:34,010 --> 02:16:30,660
didn't did you attend any Halloween

2969
02:16:36,709 --> 02:16:34,020
parties not yet but hope springs eternal

2970
02:16:38,300 --> 02:16:36,719
even for one as introverted as myself

2971
02:16:39,140 --> 02:16:38,310
well and I want to know and so does

2972
02:16:44,600 --> 02:16:39,150
everybody else

2973
02:16:48,410 --> 02:16:44,610
who what's your costume I never I never

2974
02:16:49,339 --> 02:16:48,420
dress up I never dress up why no I know

2975
02:16:50,990 --> 02:16:49,349
I know

2976
02:16:55,370 --> 02:16:51,000
see this is what I'm talking about I'm a

2977
02:16:57,140 --> 02:16:55,380
very very Monday in person but my my you

2978
02:16:58,910 --> 02:16:57,150
know the rest of the rest of the year is

2979
02:17:02,030 --> 02:16:58,920
so strange for me that I just don't feel

2980
02:17:03,830 --> 02:17:02,040
a need to set aside a you know to dress

2981
02:17:04,520 --> 02:17:03,840
up and be you know try to be something

2982
02:17:06,560 --> 02:17:04,530
that I'm not

2983
02:17:08,270 --> 02:17:06,570
oh stop you know who I'm gonna be this

2984
02:17:12,620 --> 02:17:08,280
year I did this if you're gonna leave

2985
02:17:14,390 --> 02:17:12,630
I'm gonna be fat Elvis what should I

2986
02:17:17,480 --> 02:17:14,400
dress up as Jimmy maybe these people can

2987
02:17:20,330 --> 02:17:17,490
recommend on Twitter you know you know

2988
02:17:22,129 --> 02:17:20,340
what's so funny when you said that you I

2989
02:17:24,980 --> 02:17:22,139
don't know if you were joking but when

2990
02:17:27,800 --> 02:17:24,990
you were a kid you did you would dress

2991
02:17:31,370 --> 02:17:27,810
up as a vampire you would meet you would

2992
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:31,380
be the the perfect vampire that's oh

2993
02:17:37,510 --> 02:17:34,800
that's true I've been watching I became

2994
02:17:39,110 --> 02:17:37,520
convinced I think I'd had a few drinks a

2995
02:17:41,390 --> 02:17:39,120
couple weeks ago I was completely

2996
02:17:44,120 --> 02:17:41,400
convinced I was a vampire it was a very

2997
02:17:46,280 --> 02:17:44,130
very strange state of mind and I've been

2998
02:17:48,560 --> 02:17:46,290
watching vampire movies all all all

2999
02:17:51,020 --> 02:17:48,570
month because it is how it is it is

3000
02:17:53,930 --> 02:17:51,030
October so that's a good idea there you

3001
02:17:56,390 --> 02:17:53,940
know one last question on this vein

3002
02:17:59,990 --> 02:17:56,400
there is when you mentioned like

3003
02:18:03,860 --> 02:18:00,000
paranormal activity and but there is a

3004
02:18:06,350 --> 02:18:03,870
genuine fascination with vampirism on

3005
02:18:07,209 --> 02:18:06,360
this planet it doesn't matter if you're

3006
02:18:11,080 --> 02:18:07,219
from the Caribbean

3007
02:18:17,110 --> 02:18:11,090
or if you're from Northern Europe there

3008
02:18:20,429 --> 02:18:17,120
is North America of vampirism and there

3009
02:18:23,759 --> 02:18:20,439
is parts of it that are rooted in

3010
02:18:29,040 --> 02:18:23,769
historical fact what is the fascination

3011
02:18:36,879 --> 02:18:33,580
practicing magic or or Christian or not

3012
02:18:39,250 --> 02:18:36,889
or a theater is this thing when it comes

3013
02:18:42,509 --> 02:18:39,260
to vampires and I don't know if it as

3014
02:18:44,919 --> 02:18:42,519
certainly we have Dracula but you know

3015
02:18:47,769 --> 02:18:44,929
interview with the vampire and the Anne

3016
02:18:50,080 --> 02:18:47,779
Rice novels all the way through True

3017
02:18:52,870 --> 02:18:50,090
Blood all the way to there are many

3018
02:18:55,959 --> 02:18:52,880
television series you know based on this

3019
02:18:59,349 --> 02:18:55,969
what is our our popular cultures

3020
02:19:01,599 --> 02:18:59,359
fascination with this well it's

3021
02:19:03,879 --> 02:19:01,609
fascinating because the the whole story

3022
02:19:06,190 --> 02:19:03,889
of the vampire has been with us for like

3023
02:19:07,900 --> 02:19:06,200
you like you mentioned a long time I

3024
02:19:12,339 --> 02:19:07,910
mean people were talking about vampires

3025
02:19:14,919 --> 02:19:12,349
in in Rome it's it's it's been around a

3026
02:19:16,990 --> 02:19:14,929
long time and there's you know there's

3027
02:19:18,639 --> 02:19:17,000
archaeological evidence I think even in

3028
02:19:20,349 --> 02:19:18,649
Eastern Europe of people you know

3029
02:19:21,309 --> 02:19:20,359
digging up corpses and staking them

3030
02:19:23,979 --> 02:19:21,319
because they thought they were gonna

3031
02:19:26,320 --> 02:19:23,989
raise from the dead obviously this is

3032
02:19:28,299 --> 02:19:26,330
more likely a product of superstition

3033
02:19:31,900 --> 02:19:28,309
and lack of medical information and and

3034
02:19:34,269 --> 02:19:31,910
mass hysteria than anything else but I

3035
02:19:40,450 --> 02:19:34,279
thought about this a lot and I think

3036
02:19:43,660 --> 02:19:40,460
that you know vampires fascinate us

3037
02:19:47,229 --> 02:19:43,670
because there are lots of people who are

3038
02:19:50,260 --> 02:19:47,239
vampires in the sense of they're

3039
02:19:52,059 --> 02:19:50,270
predatory and you know I think that

3040
02:19:53,070 --> 02:19:52,069
humanity if you really take a broad view

3041
02:19:57,519 --> 02:19:53,080
on it

3042
02:19:59,410 --> 02:19:57,529
there are predator humans there are you

3043
02:20:01,870 --> 02:19:59,420
know some humans are you know very nice

3044
02:20:04,269 --> 02:20:01,880
and docile and social and then there are

3045
02:20:08,440 --> 02:20:04,279
definitely some people who are

3046
02:20:10,990 --> 02:20:08,450
absolutely predatory in Outlook and we

3047
02:20:13,570 --> 02:20:11,000
might call that you know sociopathy or

3048
02:20:15,040 --> 02:20:13,580
or psychopathy or something like that

3049
02:20:17,170 --> 02:20:15,050
but I think it's a little bit deeper

3050
02:20:19,030 --> 02:20:17,180
than that there are definitely some

3051
02:20:19,950 --> 02:20:19,040
people who see it as their role in life

3052
02:20:21,270 --> 02:20:19,960
to to

3053
02:20:24,030 --> 02:20:21,280
other people and I don't mean that

3054
02:20:27,120 --> 02:20:24,040
literally but I mean that in the sense

3055
02:20:28,410 --> 02:20:27,130
of they're hunters and you could might

3056
02:20:30,450 --> 02:20:28,420
meet these people in a corporate

3057
02:20:33,980 --> 02:20:30,460
environment you know like on Wall Street

3058
02:20:38,160 --> 02:20:33,990
or just I don't know like a you know a

3059
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:38,170
terrible boss or you know in many cases

3060
02:20:43,380 --> 02:20:40,720
people get into relationships with or

3061
02:20:44,910 --> 02:20:43,390
marry people who are like this and I'm

3062
02:20:46,860 --> 02:20:44,920
sure lots of people can think of

3063
02:20:48,719 --> 02:20:46,870
instances in their own life where

3064
02:20:51,210 --> 02:20:48,729
they've come across that I mean there

3065
02:20:53,730 --> 02:20:51,220
are people who are absolutely vampires

3066
02:20:55,890 --> 02:20:53,740
in the sense that they draw their energy

3067
02:20:57,330 --> 02:20:55,900
from other human beings you know we all

3068
02:21:02,660 --> 02:20:57,340
have a choice of where we draw energy

3069
02:21:05,580 --> 02:21:02,670
from many of us draw energy from love

3070
02:21:08,400 --> 02:21:05,590
our work our sense of value from our

3071
02:21:10,380 --> 02:21:08,410
work from nature from hobbies that we

3072
02:21:13,440 --> 02:21:10,390
enjoy but there are absolutely some

3073
02:21:14,630 --> 02:21:13,450
people that draw energy from preying on

3074
02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:14,640
other people and I mean that

3075
02:21:19,020 --> 02:21:17,290
psychologically right and with their

3076
02:21:21,330 --> 02:21:19,030
behavior not like they're drinking their

3077
02:21:23,300 --> 02:21:21,340
blood but you know we've all met people

3078
02:21:27,000 --> 02:21:23,310
like that are you going to be speaking

3079
02:21:27,719 --> 02:21:27,010
anytime soon any public stuff I hope so

3080
02:21:30,060 --> 02:21:27,729
I hope so

3081
02:21:35,010 --> 02:21:30,070
yeah okay all right well there it is

3082
02:21:37,680 --> 02:21:35,020
it's jasonlew dot-com and the podcast

3083
02:21:39,570 --> 02:21:37,690
the webcast everything is over there too

3084
02:21:42,330 --> 02:21:39,580
as well everybody go check it out Jason

3085
02:21:44,790 --> 02:21:42,340
enjoy your Halloween and and do your

3086
02:21:47,340 --> 02:21:44,800
thing man it's always great having you

3087
02:21:48,390 --> 02:21:47,350
on with me thank you so much thank you

3088
02:21:51,000 --> 02:21:48,400
Jimmy that was fun

3089
02:21:53,940 --> 02:21:51,010
you're the best Halloween happy

3090
02:21:56,730 --> 02:21:53,950
Halloween to you Jason Lou everybody

3091
02:22:00,690 --> 02:21:56,740
Jason lucam and you can follow Jason on

3092
02:22:03,810 --> 02:22:00,700
twitter at jason louvre too as well and

3093
02:22:06,210 --> 02:22:03,820
just to wrap up a couple of things i

3094
02:22:08,930 --> 02:22:06,220
want to stress with everybody this week

3095
02:22:11,700 --> 02:22:08,940
is going to be amazing here on the show

3096
02:22:14,310 --> 02:22:11,710
tonight it was jason Leuven we discussed

3097
02:22:17,370 --> 02:22:14,320
every aspect of Halloween tomorrow night

3098
02:22:19,260 --> 02:22:17,380
Maureen wood is going to be here now she

3099
02:22:21,110 --> 02:22:19,270
just co-authored a new book and it's

3100
02:22:25,131 --> 02:22:21,120
called

3101
02:22:30,530 --> 02:22:25,141
oh man I just I just lost it

3102
02:22:32,421 --> 02:22:30,540
those stories out Rita I lost it it was

3103
02:22:35,180 --> 02:22:32,431
right on the tip of my tongue

3104
02:22:36,950 --> 02:22:35,190
anyway Maureen would is going to be with

3105
02:22:39,410 --> 02:22:36,960
us here tomorrow night and one of the

3106
02:22:42,501 --> 02:22:39,420
things that I wanted to do was to set

3107
02:22:45,801 --> 02:22:42,511
aside one night this week where we could

3108
02:22:47,720 --> 02:22:45,811
just sit and listen to ghost stories so

3109
02:22:50,950 --> 02:22:47,730
that's what we're gonna do tomorrow

3110
02:22:52,461 --> 02:22:50,960
night with Maureen and then everybody

3111
02:22:55,580 --> 02:22:52,471
Wednesday night

3112
02:22:59,870 --> 02:22:55,590
sha la lune which is going to be here if

3113
02:23:01,671 --> 02:22:59,880
you haven't sat through our Halloween

3114
02:23:04,580 --> 02:23:01,681
special with sha the loom which I'm

3115
02:23:08,930 --> 02:23:04,590
going to prepare you for this now we are

3116
02:23:11,570 --> 02:23:08,940
going to take over 100 phone calls to

3117
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:11,580
listen to this happen over a three hour

3118
02:23:19,810 --> 02:23:15,690
period with sha is amazing she is going

3119
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:19,820
to do a reading three cards boom and and

3120
02:23:26,450 --> 02:23:23,130
do this with everybody it within seconds

3121
02:23:28,400 --> 02:23:26,460
and you've got to get ready you've got

3122
02:23:30,921 --> 02:23:28,410
to line up you've got to get ready early

3123
02:23:33,740 --> 02:23:30,931
and and and get in line on the phones

3124
02:23:36,171 --> 02:23:33,750
it's gonna be absolutely incredible so

3125
02:23:39,410 --> 02:23:36,181
that is Wednesday night and then

3126
02:23:42,520 --> 02:23:39,420
Thursday Adrienne Valera is going to be

3127
02:23:46,940 --> 02:23:42,530
here now what is going to be going on on

3128
02:23:49,761 --> 02:23:46,950
11/11 at 11:00 11:00 is in Washington DC

3129
02:23:54,530 --> 02:23:49,771
it's going to be a mass meditation at

3130
02:23:57,110 --> 02:23:54,540
the Lincoln Memorial so all not all of

3131
02:23:58,970 --> 02:23:57,120
but we have about a half a dozen guests

3132
02:24:01,430 --> 02:23:58,980
that are lined up this is for Thursday

3133
02:24:03,440 --> 02:24:01,440
night on fader night we have about a

3134
02:24:05,961 --> 02:24:03,450
half a dozen guests that are going to be

3135
02:24:08,600 --> 02:24:05,971
here with us I'll reveal everything

3136
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:08,610
tomorrow night we're lining up guests

3137
02:24:13,850 --> 02:24:11,040
now but I think we have everything done

3138
02:24:16,400 --> 02:24:13,860
oh here it is here thank you it is more

3139
02:24:19,131 --> 02:24:16,410
ghost Chronicles that's what happens

3140
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:19,141
after I do with three hours show I'm a

3141
02:24:24,530 --> 02:24:21,690
little bit brain dead it's more ghost

3142
02:24:28,011 --> 02:24:24,540
Chronicles and Maureen wood and her

3143
02:24:31,160 --> 02:24:28,021
co-author Ron Kolok Ron cannot be with

3144
02:24:32,751 --> 02:24:31,170
us tomorrow night but Maureen will be

3145
02:24:35,301 --> 02:24:32,761
here and

3146
02:24:37,720 --> 02:24:35,311
it's funny stories from the realm of the

3147
02:24:39,770 --> 02:24:37,730
unknown the unexplained and the

3148
02:24:42,081 --> 02:24:39,780
unbelievable and we're going to be doing

3149
02:24:45,081 --> 02:24:42,091
her favorite ghost stories from this

3150
02:24:47,930 --> 02:24:45,091
book and the original goes to Chronicles

3151
02:24:49,850 --> 02:24:47,940
so there you go that's our week here on

3152
02:24:54,470 --> 02:24:49,860
fade to black now I want to back up

3153
02:24:56,990 --> 02:24:54,480
really quick and touch upon what I had

3154
02:25:00,921 --> 02:24:57,000
said at the beginning of the show

3155
02:25:04,011 --> 02:25:00,931
tonight and this is serious there is a

3156
02:25:08,841 --> 02:25:04,021
lot of negativity right now that is not

3157
02:25:13,430 --> 02:25:08,851
only going around this planet but also

3158
02:25:16,791 --> 02:25:13,440
inside of our community here and I quite

3159
02:25:21,051 --> 02:25:16,801
honestly I don't get involved with it

3160
02:25:23,421 --> 02:25:21,061
there has been so many emails and

3161
02:25:26,421 --> 02:25:23,431
prodding and code trying to get me to

3162
02:25:29,390 --> 02:25:26,431
respond or comment or get involved with

3163
02:25:33,171 --> 02:25:29,400
and I've got to go back and just say to

3164
02:25:37,251 --> 02:25:33,181
all of you I'm not I'm not concerned I

3165
02:25:40,820 --> 02:25:37,261
really honestly don't care it's not

3166
02:25:43,520 --> 02:25:40,830
healthy the negativity and the hate that

3167
02:25:46,100 --> 02:25:43,530
is is going around and the divisive miss

3168
02:25:50,291 --> 02:25:46,110
not only in our country but on this

3169
02:25:53,541 --> 02:25:50,301
planet has permeated and gotten into our

3170
02:25:55,990 --> 02:25:53,551
UFO community and we quite simply we

3171
02:25:58,610 --> 02:25:56,000
don't need it we don't care about it and

3172
02:26:00,770 --> 02:25:58,620
this is something that I'm not going to

3173
02:26:02,900 --> 02:26:00,780
come and on and then ain't gonna happen

3174
02:26:05,591 --> 02:26:02,910
it's not what this show was about this

3175
02:26:07,881 --> 02:26:05,601
show is about positivity exploring and

3176
02:26:10,490 --> 02:26:07,891
acquiring knowledge and trying to figure

3177
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:10,500
stuff out it's nothing negative and

3178
02:26:16,430 --> 02:26:13,290
we'll never be that so what this show is

3179
02:26:20,091 --> 02:26:16,440
about it's not how I live my life and I

3180
02:26:24,371 --> 02:26:20,101
will always project that alright I want

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to be very very clear so if you are

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concerned about that I'll say it again

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man it's easy to block and and and and

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delete and unfriend because that's I

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just don't have time for it

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I don't and I'm not going to pass that

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on to this community and that's where I

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come from and it's never going to change

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this is

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fade to black I'm arrows Jimmy church

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tomorrow night Maureen would more goes

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to chronicles night two of Halloween

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week right here on fade to black

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beta blocks executive producer is

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Riddick amore on shows produced by

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music Doug alter its intro space boys

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space boy music calm fade to black is

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produced by kjsurya of the game-changer

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network and syndication is kgr a the

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planet thank you to jasonlew jasonlew L

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o UV Jason lucam this broadcasts on

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black to the game changer network I'm

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yours Jimmy Church follow me on twitter

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@ JT radio everybody be safe Gobekli

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Tepe

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[Applause]